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Damn
Then it AIN'T FREE
Is your argument Africans should not have to reimburse their debts?
If you have to pay it back.
it is if there isn't interest
Freedom aint free
It's also no aid.
But you can default on loans and not pay them back
Foreign aid is not to be paid back.
a loan without interest is aid, yes
It's a good thing that those aren't the sorts of loans the world bank and IMF give out then.
It's not
Hm free money which is provided with the intent of allowing the generation of more revenue ***only*** provided that the amount lended be reimbursed in the future is not aid whatsoever
This does not benefit anyone
Hmm, nice moving of the goalposts
Kek
What was the statement there
Or are you saying that if anything benefits you, it's free?
He didn't say anything retard
What goalposts were moved? A portion of the mass of wealth Europeans provide to Africans (***for free***) is provided in the form of loans
If x benefits me, x is free, even if I paid for it.
Where is the goalpost shifted?
How can you call a loan FREE?
Because they did nothing for the wealth
`Hm free money which is provided with the intent of allowing the generation of more revenue only provided that the amount lended be reimbursed in the future is not aid whatsoever(edited)
This does not benefit anyone`
They did provide any service or resource
It is freely provided only with the promise of future reimbursement
You do realize they have to pay it back.
Yes
So what do you call it if the money is just given as charity?
Free?
Yes?
You have a broad definition of free.
Money given without immediate reimbursement in the form of goods or services is free money
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wdRQW8WmVI
Live free or coom hard
Yes
I disagree Leaf
lol
you take on a liability
money that is given out without reimbursement is free
equal to or greater than the capital which you gain
so its not free
unless its interest free
Its basically free, although as far as I know these loans generally do not involve rates of interest
@Leaf When was the last time you coomed?
This morning probably
no
that's just absolutely wrong
why
however, these loans are often functionally free money
Bc I was need to temper lustful feelings from time to time so I dont engage in premarital sex
Loans given out by the IMF and world bank involve large interest rates as well as plenty of other stipulations, such as privatization.
since the IMF regularly forgives hundreds of millions in loans
yes but Im a bit more that 1.5 years no fap
stop
Based
fapperoni
and yes, many of the IMF loans are indeed interest free
Where's your source for that?
march 2020 will be 2 years no fap
interest free loans, and regular cancellation of debt
>Africans actually pay back these debts
here's a source right off the bat
<:steflol:561214382181318656>
just an example
<:yay:638817157840502815>
Ok this was kinda fun
@BabygottBach did you know the US used Zyclon B on the Mexicans at the US border back in the day, until DDT became the replacement for delousing.
@Leaf for the WIN<:supermale:399903458964275203>
they don't even pay back interest-free loans much of the time
it isn't about paying back the interest.
I need to head home so no more internet for the night
Goodnight fellers
gn
night night fren
nn leaf, don't get blown away in teh wind
or let justin bad touch you
it's about stipulating such conditions as to force the countries to privatize assets or to spread their legs for multinational corporations to be hyper exploited.
<:monkaS:299267496668692493>
ya I agree there is a system of bribery on a massive scale wherein tax money from western countries is used to control gangster regimes in africa
My money*
The exploitation by the multinational corporations account for the difference in the money flows in Africa.
does justin trudeau coom?
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Africa is not getting exploited as it should
@Nerthulas, what sort of regimes did you think the west was running in Africa and around the world before the nominal independence movements of the 20th century?
They could use a few europoids
Take some meds to Africa
They know how to command them properly
@Colonel J (The Sheriff) she knows how to display old glory properly
@Billy Ray we tryed that all ready ๐ in ww2
even the most exploitative european regime benefitted and developed the people of whatever territory was under colonization to a degree which has no parallel in human history @BabygottBach
they were ***begging*** for exploitation
the med is africas true apex predator
it was the need to accumulate capital at ever higher rates that drove the west to Africa to begin with.
i'll never forgive <:kraut:389881471881576448> for taking her from me...
that drove the west to develop Africa, yes
@Nerthulas, that imperialism benefitted the imperialized is without doubt.
nothing strikes fear into an africans heart like an Italian
<:CHAD:396569198404435969>
Even marx supported the colonization of India for these grounds.
there were degrees of exploitation as well
there were people who were genuinely well-intentioned
Marx was based
But the history of the colonized and imperialized nations post independence is due to how much these countries were able to resist imperialism.
He was from an aritocratic family
some things are difficult to explain under the lens of a purely exploitative relationship
schools, in many cases
China resisted imperialism far better than Africa, hence it's relatively better development.
He gave peasants this retarded ideology in order to rule over them
there you are wrong
And idiots like you still buy into it
on a number of counts
There is no need to accumulate wealth
Idiot
Here's what you need
Eat shit and fuck
BUY BITCOIN
And drink
first of all, Africa and China were not the same before colonization
they were ***vastly*** different
that affected their ability to resist imperialism
This may tie into why China was able to succeed in having an antiimperialist socialist movement whereas vast swathes of Africa was now.
was not
often in Africa, there was no resistance to imperialism at all
why not?
There was
they just lost
why?
no, there are many tribes which did not resist ***at all***
let me be clear
they did not lose
they didn't fight at all
They don't have nukes
some tribes did, some did not
why don't they have nukes?
really, you should be asking "why" nonstop
The same is true for the chinese.
see how far back you can go
Some fought, some didn't, some collaborated.
the Chinese had an organized state
its a totally incomparable situation
its shocking to me that you don't realize that
I'm talking about the Chinese communists as the antiimperialists here.
Forming an organized state is part of the antiimperialist struggle
well that's kind of a dumb position
Heard of burkina faso?
antiimperialists can just be a state which doesn't want to be conquered
They had an organized ML state. Lasted for a while before sankara was assassinated with the help of the US.
Qing China was 'antiimperialist
it has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism
Japan was 'antiimperialist' as far as Western Imperialism went
There were cases of organized anti-imperialist states in Africa.
lol
<:udontsay:567120494516764695>
Antiimperialism means all sources of it.
every empire is 'antiimperialist' with respect to other empires
lmfao
If the point you're trying to make is that Africa won't remain a shithole I don't think you're convincing anyone
WHO THE MOTHER FUCK CARES?
Antiimperialist means wrt to every other country.
<:mlady:389497741769703424>
that is not the commonly understood definition of antiimperialist
btw
Japanese imperialism in China was not imperialist just bc they were anti Brit imperialism.
and its a very odd one
if all the chinese or african died tomarrow i would not care
life would go on
<:JFGOD:439598359628611604>
look man
its very simple
To call one countries' imperialism antiimperialism is a very strange way to define antiimperialism.
Blacks suck - Nerthulas 2019
China was a developed civilization with longstanding state structures, with hundreds of millions in manpower, and advanced technology including metalworking and armory
Sub-saharan tribes were not
this is why China was able to resist imperialism
do the degree that it was
If you believe that European colonization benefitted Africa, then these places would have developed it.
what?
LOL
They would have had the advanced tech and metal workingn and armory.
what are you talking about?
its a troll
they didn't have it
The Europeans would have brought it over to Africa through colonization.
yes, they did
Africans failed to maintain it
And they will fail again
With China
The europeans would have also left some sort of state.
in many cases, they did fail to maintain it
Kek
So the Africans would have had all these things.
they certainly failed to maintain the state structures
just in time to finish coomtober:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkBUTheIC0
They failed because they could not resist imperialism after colonization.
Guess it was real
China could resist it after the Communist revolution.
IM COOOOOOOOOOOMIN
Why did America
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
I'll tell you why
Japan failed to resist imperialism as well, but was able to develop?
Cause they white
Africa's attempts at socialism failed, because it got crushed by the US and allies during the Cold War.
Lol
there is a difference between having millions of people and your own capital and cities developed over thousands of years to serve a regional empire, vs some tools that the europeans brought over for the express purpose of exploiting your country
Maybe their attempt at socialism failed because it always fails everywhere itโs tried
boomer take
that being said, they mostly squandered what we left them
probably because they have low IQs
@Nerthulas, unless the Euros took the tools with them...
you can't take a railroad
Then it's back to genetics.
its both
It is
But both is genes
sub-saharan africans are not good at creating or maintaining to a civilization, all it's trappings, and everything it entails, to the standards that other populations are capapble of. you can see this in the diaspora as well
@BabygottBach How was Japan able to develop even though they failed to resist imperialism?
Africa was geopolitically fucked for a revolution.
Japan resisted imperialism much more effectively than China did
@iippo, as a bulwark to commie china
it's so incredibly in your face
possibly longer @BabygottBach
the shortcomings
the organization needed to even achieve is lacking
yes, it just happens by accident that everywhere they are it succ
it's magic
Correct
No
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