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2018-09-22 03:37:13 UTC

duh, but ammo depletes when used
and after a few years in storage it's going to be useless

2018-09-22 03:38:09 UTC

so no matter how much of it there is it's going to become scrap soon

2018-09-22 03:47:41 UTC

also, tracking ammo could be easier than tracking guns, so registered users could be easier identified by the shells. E.g., each bullet could have an id inside of the shell. When sold, they would be registered to the buyer in some database. And it would be way harder (if not impossible) to erase an id from the bullet while keeping it intact and useful, and shells are easily lost during the shootings so more clues for the police. Putting an ID inside a bullet shell is easy to incorporate into the manufacturing process.
Actually, there's nothing that prevents introducing this solution right now even without an ammo ban. You'd just have to force ammo manufacturers to do that.

2018-09-22 03:49:40 UTC

and if guns are really so important for you for patriotic reasons (defending the borders) then you can have them - just without the ammo with local ammo depots (guarded by police or sth, you could even reorganize police stations a little for this purpose ) which would store and give away ammo in case of emergency

2018-09-22 04:00:14 UTC

actually, if you enforced the idea of IDs on bullets, you could argue that the black market for the ammo without IDs could be made non existent if you allowed such ammo to be sold, but only to registered users (and correlated to them in some databases)
such ammo would be also insane to use in a crime

2018-09-22 04:00:53 UTC

that wouldn't eliminate the problem of mass shootings though, but hey, whatever works

2018-09-22 04:53:56 UTC

what do you mean IDs on bullets

2018-09-22 05:11:58 UTC

Some number and when selling bullets you tie the number to a person buying

2018-09-22 05:36:18 UTC

no such thing

2018-09-22 05:36:51 UTC

the bullet wouldnt be intact enough to id it

2018-09-22 05:37:00 UTC

probably lead to false postives

2018-09-22 05:37:11 UTC

mabye you meant casings

2018-09-22 06:32:36 UTC

yes, he meant casings

2018-09-22 08:42:14 UTC

registries are illegal plus bullets are pretty simple to make

2018-09-22 11:56:29 UTC

>registries are illegal
the point is to make them legal
>bullets are pretty simple to make
on a mass scale?

2018-09-22 11:57:12 UTC

Yes

2018-09-22 11:58:25 UTC

I meant it won't be easy to mass produce them in a garage

2018-09-22 11:58:27 UTC

Of course an individual can't output the same As a factory but it's just metal and fun powder, and it woukdnt be feasible to stop people from casting their own bullets or making their own gun powder

2018-09-22 11:58:45 UTC

Gun powder

2018-09-22 11:58:57 UTC

It would be pretty simple to do if there was a reason

2018-09-22 11:59:15 UTC

>fun powder
oh Freud, where are you when we need you

2018-09-22 11:59:25 UTC

Yee

2018-09-22 12:00:22 UTC

Even then if you had those serialized casings then you could still only need to make jist enough bullets to commit whatever crime

2018-09-22 12:00:41 UTC

Just pull off the case empty the powder and put everything in a new case

2018-09-22 12:00:56 UTC

You can get presses that will do that for like a hundred bucks

2018-09-22 12:03:17 UTC

still, a few steps more, a few hurdles in the way which can save someones life

2018-09-22 12:10:19 UTC

your logic is so fucked up

2018-09-22 12:10:59 UTC

YAAAAAH DONT DO ANYTHING FREEDOM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427861399008575499/493031457560854539/1537449836322.jpg

2018-09-22 12:11:02 UTC

Thahs a ridiculous statement to make, the entire basis of Pro second ammendment arguments is that yes you are going to save maybe a few lives meanwhile tens of millions if not hundreds will be negatively impacted after doing nothing wrong

2018-09-22 12:11:19 UTC

Oh yeah ban them and we can stop the few hundred deaths a year from guns

2018-09-22 12:11:45 UTC

its not like life matters to you so

2018-09-22 12:11:47 UTC

Meanwhile 98% of people don't do anying bad

2018-09-22 13:26:39 UTC

Well ppl would use illegal guns or melee weapons.

2018-09-22 13:27:06 UTC

So it would not be like entire gun deaths will be gone

2018-09-22 13:27:35 UTC

Still i dont deny that would reduce death (it would probably)

2018-09-22 13:47:08 UTC

question is is the marginal decrease worth giving up something millions of people enjoy

2018-09-22 15:13:18 UTC

>I enjoy guns, pew pew

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427861399008575499/493077337483771914/1512340225306.png

2018-09-22 15:13:45 UTC

gun supporters are mentally ill, they're notoriously fantasizing about provoking self-defence to actually shoot someone

2018-09-22 15:15:11 UTC

like tell me whats so fun about guns, do you go out and shoot to targets or what?

2018-09-22 15:15:23 UTC

is it fun in itself?

2018-09-22 15:15:35 UTC

inanimate targets?

2018-09-22 15:34:25 UTC

anon did you visit shooting range

2018-09-22 15:37:02 UTC

no, tell me about it

2018-09-22 15:57:11 UTC

guns are _fun_, come on

2018-09-22 15:57:48 UTC

there's a reason why people buy motorcycles despite the existence of vastly superior modes of transport

2018-09-22 15:58:51 UTC

(in terms of both comfort and safety)

2018-09-22 15:59:42 UTC

the thrill is a non-negligible part of the fun

2018-09-22 16:05:32 UTC

you ever see what a 44 magnum can do to a woman's pussy?

2018-09-22 16:05:52 UTC

you talkin' to me?

2018-09-22 16:08:13 UTC

make your move

2018-09-22 16:11:35 UTC

>i need to kill other people for fun

2018-09-22 16:11:37 UTC

<:brainlet:395711607554048000>

2018-09-22 16:25:51 UTC

>polandniggers think weapon = kill

2018-09-22 16:25:53 UTC

savages

2018-09-22 17:10:45 UTC

ahhh yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427861399008575499/493106896723509248/1537448569546.webm

2018-09-22 17:11:04 UTC

so answer me

2018-09-22 17:11:10 UTC

what is fun to you about weapons?

2018-09-22 17:11:25 UTC

do you just enjoy shooting to inanimate targets?

2018-09-22 17:15:39 UTC

>polandniggers think weapon = kill
that's literally their only purpose

2018-09-22 17:16:51 UTC

^

2018-09-22 17:17:30 UTC

again, go look at /k/ how is it full of insecure manlets that fantasize about killing someone through provoked "self-defence"

2018-09-22 17:20:37 UTC

also, poles with guns is the last thing I want to see over here

2018-09-22 17:21:04 UTC

Just no. Bad combo.

2018-09-22 17:21:59 UTC

any people with guns are bad idea

2018-09-22 17:22:13 UTC

except security services and the army

2018-09-22 17:23:06 UTC

I really what to know what is so great about guns to you, I can't imagine that shooting targets is such a great fun, is it feeling safe or in control or what?

2018-09-22 17:23:29 UTC

guns are for shooting, if you use them you shoot something, if those aren't targets then what

2018-09-22 17:23:31 UTC

hunting?

2018-09-22 17:23:39 UTC

I see hunting as morally repulsive as well

2018-09-22 17:25:09 UTC

I was to a shooting range a few times back in the day but I got bored of it pretty quick

2018-09-22 18:22:07 UTC

yes

2018-09-22 19:12:57 UTC

>I see hunting as morally repulsive as well
i hope you're vegan then

2018-09-22 19:15:30 UTC

i find hunting much less morally repulsive than modern meat production

2018-09-22 19:15:41 UTC

and i've been a veggie for 3 years now

2018-09-22 19:16:18 UTC

yeah and I don't pay people to kill all those animals for fun

2018-09-22 19:16:23 UTC

I need to eat thats why

2018-09-22 19:16:28 UTC

hunting is for fun

2018-09-22 19:17:33 UTC

no, you pay people to kill all those (force fed, held in abhorrent conditions to maximise profit) animals, often inhumanely (again - in order to maximise profit) because _they taste nice_

2018-09-22 19:18:01 UTC

>people dont need to eat <:brainlet:395711607554048000>

2018-09-22 19:18:31 UTC

unless you're one of the _very few_ people for whom it's impossible to live on a balanced meat-free diet for medical reasons, you don't actually need to eat animal flesh in order to live and stay healthy

2018-09-22 19:19:13 UTC

granted, you may need to supplement two or three nutrients, but there's no _need_ to eat animal products at all

2018-09-22 19:19:24 UTC

it's all for your culinary pleasure

2018-09-22 19:19:32 UTC

how's that different from hunting?

2018-09-22 19:20:06 UTC

both essentially amount to killing for pleasure, one directly, the other indirectly

2018-09-22 19:20:59 UTC

>YAAAH collapse half of the agricultural sector right now because I dont like killing animals

2018-09-22 19:21:26 UTC

and you get proteins most effectively from animals

2018-09-22 19:23:03 UTC

none of this counters any of the points I made

2018-09-22 19:25:43 UTC

no it doesn't but its not feasible for all population to switch to vegie diet

2018-09-22 19:26:06 UTC

it'll be only viable with lab grown meat

2018-09-22 19:30:17 UTC

it's only unfeasible due to personal preference (over empathy) and perhaps the perception of eating meat (to be more precise - being able to afford meat) being connected with socioeconomic status in some parts of the world

2018-09-22 19:32:45 UTC

having said that, the feasibility of the world's population switching to a veggie diet has no bearing on whether _your_ personal choice (to eat meat) can in any way be morally justified

2018-09-22 19:32:56 UTC

tbh i can see ghouls point

2018-09-22 19:33:03 UTC

yeah sure animals die

2018-09-22 19:33:08 UTC

but there is something to not doing it yourself

2018-09-22 19:33:30 UTC

is it perhaps _cowardice_?

2018-09-22 19:43:34 UTC

not really

2018-09-22 19:43:40 UTC

its just i dont want to kill something once a week

2018-09-22 19:44:02 UTC

out of sight out of mind

2018-09-22 19:45:08 UTC

yet you do

2018-09-22 19:45:12 UTC

just without the consequences

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