but instead both sides behave like derpraved animals

they dont violate the stndrads tho

there are a couple factions within the party

but not the party itself

besides a healthy democracy should be able to withstand that

without lowering their own standards

I think it's good the left reacts like it does, we can't let those people speak up in the public, with their fringe ideology like it was all normal

thats very close to censorship imo

its not that fringe anyway, third strongest party

tbh when it comes to AfD, at least for me they haven't really crossed the line, I'd somewhat tolerate them, but many far right groups I'd simply put in jail

we have many of these here, and for some reason they're all on russian payroll

lel

I'm not really even talking shit here

if they break the law or dont upheld basic constitutional values thats a different storie

but the afd isnt supervised by the verfassungsschutz

I don't see any AfD postulates being based on rationale, they're all nationalist screeching, how do I talk with those people

try to listen why they cose the party

what moved them to the right

wat

wat wat

try do understand them

they didnt always vote for the far right

if you want to talk to them ask why they choose to fall back on right wing politics

dont make any assumptions is what I am saying

they are people too

I don't really need to ask, again if they aren't actual nationalists then there comes emotional screeching again with no rationale at all

I know what their views are I know they weren't always voting far right

do you know that or ths based on few individual cases

?

but I don't see the rationale behind that

I see the emotions yes but I honestly don't want to deal with that

also nationalism in itself isnt evil

I recognise they are disaffected

but again I'm le science man

I can talk to you about stats and facts

but I can't do shit when someone believes something because he feels like it

I mean sure those people should be heard

not every issue can be resolved wit facts

and there should be a platform for them

I'm just saying personally

some are purely opinion based

that I'd rather not to talk to them because I don't see a point

>not every issue can be resolved wit facts
like which one

refugees fr example

since its the min issue

some people think whe should help them

some think we should put our own priorities first

my argumentation on refugees thing is based only on some simple empathy, I doubt anyone sane in the world will debate me that people shouldn't be empathetic at all

and the rest of it is using statistics to prove nationalist myths wrong

peeps who are agaisnt mass imigration lack empathy tho. its just if you weigh both options they rahter choose the other one

dont lack*

oh ok

ofc there are racist pricks too but not all of them are

good you spelt it out because I always assumed that all the people will inherently recognise things like "empathy" even if too look decent

but then I consider these people pieces of shit

and I actually consider nationalism evil then

because it's apparently based on NEGATIVE emotions

well its not all black and white

if white is good and black is bad then as for me they are way more to the black

so I don't see a reason to acknowledge their arguments

but its NOT just black and whit

and tbh you can bring even refugees thing to a pure calculation

it's difficult tho

brb going to a shop

I dont think you can really. Bringing people in always costs money, money that could be spend on local schools for example.

So you got to choose: Let a million people immigrate, saivng a part of them from certain death but also risking public safety and spending money OR refuse them probably letting a part of them die but secure your own stability and saving money to spend on someting else

I think this issue is 100% opinion based

some people just prefer option a and some prefer optionb

refusing to give one of the parties a chance to speak is very ignorant imo

we haven't refused them a chance to speak in the first place, they could have spoken, they could have presented their arguments, and honestly they weren't based on merit, it was autistic nationalistic screeching, I'm for reconsideration of immigration policy in the West too, but not for the reasons like "some people are born subhuman", "we should only take care of our asses", "holocaust didn't happen", "praise wermacht victories", they made fucking clowns of themselves ffs, they made their PR go into shitter and they are surprised leftists react agressively

only a minority of extremists say tht stuff

and they call themselves AfD as well

and still just because they were dumbin the past doesnt automatically mean they will alsways remain that way

so it's like they ruin the opinion of the whole party

like, talk about reasonable things, talk about costs, talk about money, you will have my attention, but if you portray yourself like a dumb fucking prick only caring about his ass? how do I talk to someone like that? >muh germany first 🤢

they do talk about money

infact the faction leader weidel is a studied economists and likes to remind everyone of that by talking money all the time

I can't really talk about AfD specifically I'm not familiar with their recent statements, but nationalist even when talking about concrete things simply won't recognise that the world isn't a zero-sum game anymore, and often things that seemingly make you lose money in the end benefit all, oh, and another thing, nationalists are never for win-win deals

ok i see a problem here

you admit that you arent as familiar with afd positions but are fine with denying them the opportunity to speak?

Germany pays a lot of money for the EU cohesion policy, but thanks to infrastructural(and other) investments in poorer countries like Poland, not only they benefit directly because their companies have a better environment but also Poles have more money to spend on German products, the trade is growing and all so you could claim it's somewhat good for the both sides(of course Germany shouldn't keep paying forever)

>you admit that you arent as familiar with afd positions but are fine with denying them the opportunity to speak?

yeah, they should leave the party and properly disassociate themselves from the fascists

if they want to be taken seriously

one person actualy did that

great then

directly after the elecetion

oh you mean Frauke Petry?

also

>Weidel

🤢

>a globalist banker being in a multicultural lesbian relationship associating herself with the "ordinary decent people"

comedy gold

almost as funny as a City broker doing the same and calling others out for not having worked a single day in a "proper job"

i dont like her either

I mean it's credibility thing really

its funny cuz she was part of goldman sachs

I understand leftist reaction to AfD

atleast partially

also it's not even that those are some random extremists within the party, Hocke and Gauland would be saying shit