That's the issue that we're trying to get you to see

well there are, just ones that are too risky to warrant

Such as?

Enlighten me

move to LA and ask for jobs there

move to LA and find a friend to live on their couch

Are you out of your mind?

apparently yes

because I did that

>can't afford to live
"Move to LA"

^

The absolute state of that statement

well I wanted to link it back to my life

could be anywhere

A u t i s m

How much money did you have to live on in going out there?

I think like $800

Did you have any savings? A job lined up? A place to stay?

I had a friend there

no job lined up

but I had incoming interviews

that was the final call

What an outrageous statement. You can't afford to live where you are, so move to one of the most expensive cities in the country and pray.

And I assume you have a degree or trade school?

I do *now*

but only just graduated in May

See this is what astounds me

I'm not gonna call you a liar, I believe every statement you've made about your life. But that's what astounds me

I'll gladly call you a liar and an autist.

🤷 okT

*okay

I'm pretty sure I AM autistic

You have been through the shit, you've been in a position of destitution, and you should understand how bad the system is and how much people have to risk like you say you did, and how fucked up that is... and yet... you don't understand it... you defend the system

so that's cool

I *do* understand how bad the system is, but I also understand the steps to get out of it

You very clearly do not.

okay sorry m8

wish I could

But you refuse to recognize that people shouldn't have to risk THAT much just to MAYBE have a shot

^

Theres acceptable risk and then theres insanity.

^

What you propose: Insanity or idiocy. I am unsure of which

@CatLoverKid do you realize that people like you who risk that much, who put that much on the line, and actually SUCCEED in life are so few and far between it's like a cup of sprinkles in an industrial vat of ice cream?

I do yeah

I recognize that I at least had somewhere to return to if I failed

even if I didn't have a plan to pay off my debt

We don't

^

We have nothing

It's strange to me, if the circumstances are THAT dire for you guys, why don't you spend all your time trying to find new solutions to fix this?

Konot and I are literally fighting for our very survival because the system fucked up.

Idk about you guys, but I kept up a regiment of applying to 3 jobs a day until I got one

And what we're trying to get you to think about is that the majority of people in the united states are just as fucked as we are, albeit with differences in situation

You don't think I am? I work 40 hours a week. Bill's take 95% of my wages.

it's not the majority my dude

I'm not saying it's only 2% of people who live like that

but it definitely isn't 51%

@CatLoverKid really? Because I can't begin to count how many people I've met who are in situations like mine. It's a nationwide issue

Don't hate the player

Nor the game

you live in a pretty impoverished place it sounds like though.

I might be wrong in that assessment

Actually I live in the richest county in my state

wait sorry, then it doesn't sound like you NEED to move far, just slightly away so you can live cheaper

And what? Move where? With what money?

do you not have friends you can room with?

I've never lived with less than 3 people in an apartment

That isn't the point, the point is that I've been put in this position because of the very system you're defending

and the very system is what allowed me to get out of there

well okay, the system didn't just hand it to me

At the risk of ending up in the gutter like me

correct

it was worth it

And you don't see a problem with that? That people in many cases have to risk THAT MUCH just to have what you have?

but I'm sure that if I didn't make it out, I might think the same as you

I would like to imagine a system where that risk didn't need to exist, but I am not convinced that such a system exists

don't get me wrong, I don't ENJOY that sort of stuff

but I don't want to throw that opportunity away for others

from my perspective, you're asking me to shoot the system that enabled me to be successful in the foot. To say
"Ya know, it might be nice to be here, but I'd like to give it all up, and give up the struggle to get here"

We're not asking you to, we're asking you to support creating a system where more people have that opportunity rather than a select few

Where people don't have to suffer just to get ahead

Where people don't have to risk everything for a slim chance at having all they wanted

I support almost all measures to ensure that people can work out of poverty, but I do not support them if they require the labor/money of others who do not consent to it

Look I love you guys

But suck it up

oof, we boutta get kicked out

Boog with me

is that an official ceasefire from admin?

You live in the US where the Constitution literally states the government reserves the right to collect taxes specifically for the purposes of promoting the general welfare of the population

Yes, but as to what the general welfare IS, is debatable.

Well for starters, people should have access to education. People should have access to healthcare.

@Hellhound6 do you want us to stop forreal? I can if you demand it

No

Well they do at the elementary and middle school level

oops, and high school

They do have access for it, but they also cannot force someone to do it

I'm a benevolent dictator and all

In the 60s, someone could go to college on $400 a semester, and there were numerous jobs that didn't require a college education. That no longer exists and it's why our country is slowly failing.

You have the illusion of freedom