the ruling class of liberal orders are incentivized to act in ways that are fundamentally at odds with the mere existence of western people

Of every kind.

@yordanyordanov yes

This is what is killing you and to be honest you are not the first great civilization that is falling under its feet.

this neoliberalism is just the ideology of hedonism

If you are smart enough you will learn your lesson and overcome it, if you are not, well, history.

there are people fighting back, thankfully. But I imagine things will get worse before they get better

america is probably lost

still hope for europe

America is heading for a civil war, guaranteed

who wins that war will decide is America is truly lost

@Death in June Anybody who puts the pursuit of pleasures in the center of his Universe is willing to act that way, don't think your liberal ruling class is any ways better than the commies you want them to come after them.

Actually, probably, they are even worse.

i'm not advocating for communism

and they are certainly better in certain ways

@Kaiser (ICFD) Whomever wins the war will decide the future of the world!

Not just the USA.

indeed

I'm telling you as an outsider.

These two great ideologies would crash once again.

And this time it will be for good.

hopefully this time we can actually kill the red menace

instead of just letting it fester

like we did in the cold war

it has been all but killed

I really hope you will.

no, it's just taken on a new face

the essence of the ideology is far from dead

Cause I'm telling you, if you don', I can only see another Dark Age coming down on the world.

just look at antifa

And it would be a long and painful time.

antifa is a small group

no it isn't

there are quite a few of them

the groups may be small, but there are a lot of groups

and even some named ones

like the ones in portland

their combined strength is less than that of the libertarian party

It really scares me what they can do if they got close with the CCP.

The Chinese now have all the reasons to fund and support them.

You have an enemy within.

see the thing is, June, is that they are given a ton of political power by the lefties who love them

so even though they are small, they have quite a bit of power

what do you mean by a ton of political power

And I'm telling you-as a person who knows stuff, if you let them flourish, it wouldn't end good.

they are just handled in a lenient manner because they beat proles who step out of line and question the cultural agenda of the bourgeoisie

they practically own the streets of portland, and can come in and intimidate anyone who is against them (or their masters) and receive no repercussions for it

how is that not power of a political sense?

portland isn't representative of most of the country

@Kaiser (ICFD) It looks like exactly what the CCP are doing back in China.

indeed

@Death in June It may not be all of the USA, but it's a start.

it may not, but antifa is all over the place

A dreadful start at that!

and they cause all sorts of trouble

they have the most power in Portland, but that doesn't mean they don't have power elsewhere

This is what I mean by the enemy within.

they are quite literally the definition of the enemy within

It's something the CCP would be quite willing to use, if they have the chance.

And I'm afraid to tell you this but it looks like the KGB from the Kremlin will once again support them.

if the CCP could organize them, and get away with it, antifa could become a **serious** fucking problem

i dunno how useful they would be

in practice antifa mainly serves to reinforce the status quo

though maybe that would be useful to them 🤷🏻

I had my hopes for Greater Russia, but once more the KGB are getting all the strings and making the people voiceless majority.

no, they are very useful for pushing an agenda and keeping others from calling out those pushing for that agenda

they are the perfect example of "useful idiots"

@Kaiser (ICFD) Indeed.

they agenda they push is that if you question the cultural agenda of the bourgeoisie you get beaten up

This is something very useful for communists!

Expect both the KGB and the CCP to be all over the place soon enough.

yes, which makes them very useful for keeping others from getting in the way of "progress"

hence why they would be useful

The more Trump defends American values and the more you resists them, the more the KGB and the CCP will try to ruin you.

From within.

it would only be useful insofar as the status quo is leading america to ruin

This is what they are actually good at.

The only thing they are really good at.

the point is that they are useful, we can agree to that

what american values does trump defend in your opinion

He defends the freedom of expression and the market in my opinion.

@Death in June Call him whatever you like but he DOES wants a free market economy and civil rights for all.

"free market economy" is contrary to traditional american values

He ain't some confederate racist bastard as you would like to call him.

@Death in June No, it isn't.

what values he defends is less important than his actions. So far he has, despite the democrat obstructionism, been committed to securing the border. Not to mention, he has brought back manufacturing jobs. Not as many as promised, sure, but something is better than nothing

It's quintessential for them.

he's easily the best option america has at the moment

it is contrary

That freedom he defends is what would eventually make China, Russia and unfortunately-the EU anger at him.

unless I am shown a better alternative that is just a feasible as the god emperor, but I don't see that coming anytime soon

And then the fate of the world will quite literally lie in the hands of the AR-15 rednecks.

yes, they are pissed at him because he is essentially a massive roadblock to their plans

that alone makes him very good, in my opinion

Hope Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, Italy and a few other stand by them too, but am not yet too big on that promise.

ew taiwan

Yes, they will.

they rely on America for basically everything, and they are used to America just bending over. With Trump, they're not getting that nearly as much

Cause they just hate the CCP.

and they fucking hate it