#regional-legislatures (Discord ID: 454416723526025231) in #FedsShallRiseAgain!, page 8

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2018-07-25 19:47:27 UTC

am I a leftist, Bagel? 😃

2018-07-25 19:47:39 UTC

Well you can always ask us for ideas Bagel

2018-07-25 19:47:49 UTC

On how to campaign better

2018-07-25 19:47:59 UTC

no ben

2018-07-25 19:48:09 UTC

You have lots of potential

2018-07-25 19:48:18 UTC


2018-07-25 19:48:38 UTC

see, I want you in the Delegates, and I can help you get there!

2018-07-25 19:48:50 UTC

but I can't do it unless you trust me. I am sorry for what happened with Leinad

2018-07-25 19:48:55 UTC

but the party is not just him

2018-07-25 19:49:11 UTC

The people have spoken thrice and I am pretty sure I understand loud and clear what they wanted

2018-07-25 19:49:21 UTC

Leinad isnt the same guy he was before, BK fyi

2018-07-25 19:49:31 UTC

has he changed over the past year?

2018-07-25 19:49:45 UTC

Bagel, if yankee got his vote in, you were elected

2018-07-25 19:49:48 UTC

I've always been the same

2018-07-25 19:49:56 UTC

He constantly talks about his "declinjng mental state"

2018-07-25 19:50:09 UTC

so I don't see the people 'having their say', means that Bagel was not elected

2018-07-25 19:50:11 UTC

they would get reliability and sound mental health with me in there

2018-07-25 19:50:14 UTC


2018-07-25 19:50:42 UTC

that's a surprise he was always a libertarian, but we had an effective partnership in the delegates before

2018-07-25 19:50:53 UTC

passed constitutional carry among other things

2018-07-25 19:50:56 UTC

but Atlas is "special" so I can understand why they choose some candidates

2018-07-25 19:51:13 UTC

Bagel, have you looked up the ACP on the wiki?

2018-07-25 19:51:44 UTC

I know what a 1911 round is yes

2018-07-25 19:51:54 UTC

the atlas conservative party

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2018-07-25 19:52:07 UTC

there's a page that goes over their principles.

2018-07-25 19:52:20 UTC


2018-07-25 19:52:33 UTC

this party has room for me, it has room for you as well

2018-07-25 19:52:51 UTC

I'm staying federalist

2018-07-25 19:53:04 UTC

good. I might need you very soon.

2018-07-25 19:53:24 UTC

@Oldenfranck this is what PUP and Peace think of you


2018-07-25 19:53:26 UTC

not for personal election purposes just for registration and voting

2018-07-25 19:53:47 UTC

well, again. if YT gets the house seat

2018-07-25 19:53:50 UTC

and I think he will

2018-07-25 19:53:56 UTC

I know they dislike me doesnt take a genius

2018-07-25 19:53:58 UTC

I'm going to need another delegate on the CoD

2018-07-25 19:54:20 UTC

I can't put you on my team unless you're there for it, Bagel.

2018-07-25 19:54:44 UTC

even if I somehow got the nod I'd never win reelection I'd be the Atlasian Luther Strange

2018-07-25 19:55:23 UTC

this will be my 4th term on the delegates. and I'm pretty sure I'm not less conservative than you 😉

2018-07-25 19:55:52 UTC

it's not about that. It's about personality and weird things I've said and done

2018-07-25 19:56:09 UTC

have you started a secessionary movement?

2018-07-25 19:56:13 UTC

I'll admit, I've screwed up, but I've been punished more than a Saudi wife

2018-07-25 19:56:24 UTC

no not planning too

2018-07-25 19:56:33 UTC

I did that

2018-07-25 19:56:36 UTC

in other words, too much

2018-07-25 19:56:42 UTC

I mean tmth and PiT have done plenty of stupid stuff when they were kids

2018-07-25 19:56:52 UTC

I'm your age LT lol

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2018-07-25 19:57:20 UTC

but your talking to me like I'm 10 years younger

2018-07-25 19:57:34 UTC


2018-07-25 19:58:18 UTC

I'm burned out, in the past few hours I've realized I've spent too much time on fake elections, I'm just gonna stick more towards the actual elections side of the forum

2018-07-25 19:59:53 UTC

bye guys

2018-07-25 20:00:12 UTC

ok. Sorry to hear that Bagel

2018-07-25 20:03:44 UTC

I think I might deregister for a while on the atlas elections side. Just consider me a defacto fed, I probably will be back after a while in the future.

2018-07-25 20:04:18 UTC

Bagel, just take some time to yourself. Thank you for taking the time to run.

2018-07-25 20:04:27 UTC

I've done that myself.

2018-07-25 20:04:41 UTC

I mean I'm staying on the rest of the forum, don't get me wrong, just that board

2018-07-25 20:04:50 UTC

for some time

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2018-07-26 22:05:09 UTC

What trumpsucks wrote was rude

2018-07-26 22:05:17 UTC

Seriously wth was that

2018-07-26 22:07:01 UTC

He did the same thing with the liberty party by essentially spouting random stuff about us only being concerned with the Bible and guns

2018-07-27 02:29:12 UTC

@TheSaint250 what did he say

2018-07-27 02:39:27 UTC

Trumpsucks said this, "I oppose conservatives on any bench. 

They don't believe in human rights and "somehow" believe that turning back the clock to a time when women, minorities and lbgt people had very little rights and no liberty is somehow the right time period to dictate current affairs."

2018-07-27 02:39:51 UTC


2018-07-27 03:40:09 UTC

but I like the bible and guns

2018-07-27 03:47:50 UTC

Can’t wait to get to work for our fellow Southerners tomorrow. My first action will be to vote on the War Powers amendment

2018-07-27 03:57:30 UTC

Agreed, I encourage southerners to vote Nay!!!

2018-07-27 04:23:56 UTC


2018-07-27 20:13:14 UTC

Vote no!

2018-07-27 20:35:16 UTC

Already voted aye

2018-07-28 04:08:48 UTC

ok, will be signing in. Sorry for the delay, work has been busy and crap

2018-07-30 00:13:25 UTC

@everyone Can we please stop feuding in Atlasia discord?? We look like a complete shitshow. No feuding is ideal but we have this place that would probably be better for feuding.

2018-07-30 00:13:53 UTC

Also you know I’m serious about this as this is the first time I’ve used the everyone tag, i still think it’s dumb

2018-07-30 00:13:56 UTC


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2018-07-30 00:15:54 UTC

Can the delegate in question apologize publicly for wrongdoing

2018-07-30 00:16:06 UTC

That’s how this is gonna end

2018-07-30 00:17:14 UTC

I'm basically just putting it out there that I'm not tolerating Ben's behavior. and I have no problems hiding that.

2018-07-30 00:17:55 UTC

I mean censuring is dumb

2018-07-30 00:18:15 UTC

And pointless

2018-07-30 00:19:42 UTC

We shouldn’t tolerate this behavior LT

2018-07-30 00:20:23 UTC

I'm just saying if Ben is going to act like a fool in the Atlasia discord and in Atlasia, I have no problems publicly calling him out on it.

2018-07-30 00:21:19 UTC

Censure isn’t dumb either for this sort of thing

2018-07-30 00:22:34 UTC

he seems to forget most of Atlasia and a sizable chunk of the Federalist Party doesn't like him, if he wants to preach teamwork, he's going to have to practice what he preaches and stop acting like he's above other folks. he's doing no favors for himself by acting the way he is.

2018-07-30 00:23:23 UTC

I’m sick of Bens attitude

2018-07-30 00:24:03 UTC

I mean the bills he said hes voting against

2018-07-30 00:24:12 UTC

Are not really real policy

2018-07-30 00:24:46 UTC

But a regional name change and making drake and josh the regional anthem

2018-07-30 00:25:02 UTC

Which is a pretty personal issue

2018-07-30 00:25:31 UTC

How is everyone not seeing this clearly

2018-07-30 00:25:48 UTC

regional name change is real policy, it's been discussed for quite some time.

That being said, the content of bills is not the issue, LT

2018-07-30 00:26:07 UTC

It’s a policy, and if he can’t vote based on policy he shouldn’t be a delegate

2018-07-30 00:29:13 UTC

Plain and simple

2018-07-30 00:29:29 UTC

Everything introduced is policy of some sort

2018-07-30 00:29:33 UTC

But the thing is that naming a region is very symbolic and it provides a legacy to whoever picks the name

2018-07-30 00:30:41 UTC

So if he associates a certain name and song with you, and he has issues with you

2018-07-30 00:31:01 UTC

Then he has no obligation to support your idea

2018-07-30 00:31:18 UTC

He also hasn't addressed the raccoon issue at all :/

2018-07-30 00:31:19 UTC

Since it's all just a vanity policy

2018-07-30 00:39:41 UTC

many southerners expressed a desire to rename the region. it's an issue that's come up in the South tons of times post reset. it's not a vanity policy at all.

2018-07-30 00:40:09 UTC

But southerners disagree on what to exactly rename it to

2018-07-30 00:40:49 UTC

and the current discussion in the chamber has been to have the citizens vote on the version they prefer

2018-07-30 00:41:58 UTC

And pretty much the Chamber will pick whichever name the "alpha male" gets the necessary votes for

2018-07-30 00:41:59 UTC

even if YT hadn't introduced the bill, Ben would have tried to force through renaming it back to IDS, and been a lot less reasonable than YT on the issue

2018-07-30 00:42:17 UTC

you don't know Ben and how he works

2018-07-30 00:43:45 UTC

at least how it's currently planned, the southerners actually pick, not the chamber.

2018-07-30 00:44:26 UTC

So would there be a referendum on a list of possible names?

2018-07-30 00:44:53 UTC

And the chamber picks the list of names?

2018-07-30 00:45:58 UTC

Ben wants to not give southerners a choice

2018-07-30 00:46:11 UTC

He put a bill that would just need to be signed by the Governor

2018-07-30 00:46:21 UTC

I want something that lets the people decide

2018-07-30 00:46:46 UTC

So do you like the referendum list idea

2018-07-30 00:46:53 UTC


2018-07-30 01:18:00 UTC

As I've stated previously, I will not sign a bill that changes the name of the region.

2018-07-30 01:18:19 UTC

It should be a decision made by The People, not by 7 delegates and then me.

2018-07-30 01:18:29 UTC

100% agreed

2018-07-30 01:18:35 UTC

Yeah it needs to be a referendum

2018-07-30 01:18:42 UTC

With a list choice

2018-07-30 01:18:50 UTC

We just need to get names

2018-07-30 01:19:00 UTC

I think we can open up the floor for the people’s suggestions

2018-07-30 01:19:06 UTC

Close it after 24 hours

2018-07-30 01:19:53 UTC

Then put it up as a list preference and the first one that hits with 50.1# gets to be the new name

2018-07-30 01:20:12 UTC

That’s how I’d prefer it, I just don’t know the proper way of doing it

2018-07-30 01:20:37 UTC

Maybe more than 24 hours

2018-07-30 01:20:53 UTC

And yeah ranked choice voting is always great

2018-07-30 01:21:54 UTC

Largely I think my plan is good

2018-07-30 01:22:14 UTC

I really would prefer we not ever return to the IDS as it is really lame

2018-07-30 01:22:32 UTC

What about IDJ

2018-07-30 01:50:09 UTC

That’s not happening

2018-07-30 04:29:09 UTC

let me catch up here.

2018-07-30 04:29:39 UTC

There are people within the party that have explicitly requested and would prefer the IDS. It should be on the ballot, regardless as to what the others might think.

2018-07-30 04:30:34 UTC

Personally I think a ballot with the south, jefferson and the IDS whichever gets the most should be the one used. That would be my preference if we're doing a ballot.

2018-07-30 04:32:32 UTC

"Ben wants to not give southerners a choice" Look, Ahab. Can we please stop this?

2018-07-30 04:33:27 UTC

"even if YT hadn't introduced the bill, Ben would have tried to force through renaming it back to IDS, and been a lot less reasonable than YT on the issue
you don't know Ben and how he works
at least how it's currently planned, the southerners actually pick, not the chamber"

2018-07-30 04:33:47 UTC

well, if we're going to speculate on my motives am I at least allowed to present what I planned to do?

2018-07-30 04:34:15 UTC

or are we just going to assume, sans proof and condemn me while we're at it?

2018-07-30 04:36:31 UTC

my original plan was to present the IDS bill to rename the south the IDS. Beyond that was up to the delegates. The reason I wasn't happy was that as a con amendment, there were other issues that needed to be considered. Issues that have pretty much been glossed over and aren't relevant at present since we're not doing that. I don't see how that counts as 'forcing the bill through' anymore so than any other bill to the delegates.

2018-07-30 04:38:27 UTC

"It’s a policy, and if he can’t vote based on policy he shouldn’t be a delegate" ok ahab, can you please stop with this?

2018-07-30 04:39:08 UTC

@Deleted User just apologize and we can

2018-07-30 04:39:18 UTC

To the southern people

2018-07-30 04:40:04 UTC

Also dude your bill you proposed as a modification isn’t giving people a choice

2018-07-30 04:40:06 UTC


2018-07-30 04:40:23 UTC

Considering the Governor would have to sign it and it would be a law

2018-07-30 04:40:28 UTC

The people wouldn’t decide

2018-07-30 04:40:37 UTC

Part 16473817263749391716 of Ben lying again

2018-07-30 04:40:53 UTC

I've stated here that I'm fine with a ballot

2018-07-30 04:41:05 UTC

are you going to be civil ahab?

2018-07-30 04:41:23 UTC

But what you proposed wasn’t

2018-07-30 04:41:33 UTC

Look I’ve got an idea I want to work on with the Speaker

2018-07-30 04:41:41 UTC

And I think it’ll work out well

2018-07-30 04:41:46 UTC

that's why I stated I was fine with a ballot

2018-07-30 04:42:02 UTC

because that was the question at hand no?

2018-07-30 04:42:14 UTC

What I want is the Speaker to open the floor up to the general

2018-07-30 04:42:18 UTC


2018-07-30 04:42:26 UTC

The people introduce their ideas

2018-07-30 04:42:33 UTC

We close it after 24 hours

2018-07-30 04:42:53 UTC

Then we pass a law allowing for a referendum to change the south’s name with a ranked choice election

2018-07-30 04:43:09 UTC

The name that achieves 50.1% will be the new name

2018-07-30 04:43:16 UTC

I think the three options are the majority options that have come up, Jefferson, the IDS and the South.

2018-07-30 04:43:24 UTC

Well yeah

2018-07-30 04:43:27 UTC

it seems to me that most people favor one of the three.

2018-07-30 04:43:43 UTC

But it’s not democracy if we limit people’s choices now is it

2018-07-30 04:43:45 UTC

I see no reason why a referendum between those three would be an issue

2018-07-30 04:44:07 UTC

Which is why I want to open the floor up for public debate

2018-07-30 04:44:17 UTC

To the general public I mean

2018-07-30 04:44:19 UTC

we already have that in the thread that's been put up

2018-07-30 04:44:33 UTC

there's a pretty good discussion in the thread, IMO

2018-07-30 04:44:50 UTC

But it’s for members lol, what I’m proposing would be official

2018-07-30 04:45:10 UTC

This way we have a clear cut way of doing things that has a specific timeline

2018-07-30 04:45:20 UTC

And I hope Tim will agree with me on this

2018-07-30 04:45:48 UTC

I see no need to reinvent the wheel when there's already a pretty good thread for public consultation on this issue

2018-07-30 04:46:05 UTC

I think we can go ahead with the referendum between the three.

2018-07-30 04:46:25 UTC

I’ll be voting no if you propose that, I think a clear time table is needed

2018-07-30 04:46:32 UTC

on what grounds?

2018-07-30 04:47:04 UTC

On the grounds the people should be specifically allowed to introduce their own ideas in a thread

2018-07-30 04:47:20 UTC

there's already a thread for that

2018-07-30 04:47:43 UTC

the people have spoken and I think it's pretty clear what their preferences are.

2018-07-30 04:47:51 UTC

Not all of the people have spoken

2018-07-30 04:48:03 UTC

you're never going to get all the people, YT

2018-07-30 04:48:25 UTC

since we're in agreement with the three top choices, I don't see why we can't start up a referendum.

2018-07-30 04:48:32 UTC

I know, but at what we have we’ve hardly had much input on the floor

2018-07-30 04:48:38 UTC

I think we need more options

2018-07-30 04:48:53 UTC

I’ve heard different names being thrown around

2018-07-30 04:49:32 UTC

I think the top three are pretty clear and I don't think that will change.

2018-07-30 04:49:53 UTC

Anyways I’ll reach out to Speaker-designate TimTurner about it

2018-07-30 04:50:13 UTC

part of crafting a good referendum is to have clear choices, but also limited ones

2018-07-30 04:50:31 UTC

I think that three is a reasonable ballot and I don't think we'll face criticism if we do it this way

2018-07-30 04:50:50 UTC

Well actually as I’m thinking of it currently

2018-07-30 04:51:09 UTC

If we introduced too much it would be tons of math for Peebs to do and calculate

2018-07-30 04:51:17 UTC

That could take way longer than it needs to

2018-07-30 04:52:29 UTC

yep. that's also a consideration

2018-07-30 05:09:35 UTC

YT, I've made promises to drop this with you

2018-07-30 05:09:56 UTC

Ben I’m not doing it unless you apologize

2018-07-30 05:35:46 UTC

I've already apologized to you.

2018-07-30 05:36:07 UTC

the next move is yours, not mine.

2018-07-30 05:37:06 UTC

And my move is to vote for your censure

2018-07-30 05:37:43 UTC

rather than accept my apology? Interesting.

2018-07-30 05:42:16 UTC

Your apology is to be given to the southern people, not me

2018-07-30 06:00:43 UTC

again, I've apologized to you. I consider the matter closed. You can either accept or reject my apology. I have no control over your actions.

2018-07-30 06:13:14 UTC

It’s closed when the censure is closed

2018-07-30 06:20:52 UTC

shrug. most people just go apology accepted. Oh well. Good luck YT.

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2018-07-30 06:57:24 UTC

Guys @Deleted User is a FF

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2018-07-30 07:01:01 UTC

This is the feud that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friend

2018-07-30 07:01:25 UTC

The man simply wrote a bill

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2018-07-31 05:39:16 UTC

I will be introducing a motion to expel @YoungTexan from the party.

2018-07-31 05:39:34 UTC


2018-07-31 05:39:48 UTC

why lol

2018-07-31 05:40:05 UTC

Well his disruptive behavior has got to end

2018-07-31 05:40:07 UTC

Because I dared him to

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2018-07-31 05:40:21 UTC

I hope he does expel me

2018-07-31 05:40:32 UTC

Or tries

2018-07-31 05:40:38 UTC

You don’t belong in the Fed Party, you belong in the PUP

2018-07-31 05:40:42 UTC

I’m waiting to see if he puts it on the forum

2018-07-31 05:40:49 UTC


2018-07-31 05:41:25 UTC

The drama will die down once YT is elected to the House

2018-07-31 05:41:39 UTC

Put up the motion on the forum lol

2018-07-31 05:41:39 UTC

YT, remember when Labor tried to expel you after you joined them lol

2018-07-31 05:41:46 UTC

lol Henry Wallave

2018-07-31 05:41:48 UTC

But I’ve been in office a few days and now that I’m Deputy Speaker I’m not having it

2018-07-31 05:42:05 UTC

Bad for party unity, YT has even said that it is “bogus”

2018-07-31 05:43:04 UTC

You can never actually unify an entire group of people lol

2018-07-31 05:43:29 UTC

Also yes @Deleted User expulsion from a party is a joke lol

2018-07-31 05:43:48 UTC

Well you can, if it was possible to set differences aside. You’ve shown an inability to compromise with fellow Feds.

2018-07-31 05:44:01 UTC

Because I didn’t vote for Ben for Speaker

2018-07-31 05:44:04 UTC

Not saying what Ben did was right, but you aren’t either. Two wrongs don’t make a right

2018-07-31 05:44:14 UTC

Because I didn’t vote for someone

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2018-07-31 05:44:21 UTC

I’m apparently committing an offense

2018-07-31 05:44:36 UTC

Yeah dude it’s why you and Ben have spammed me for 3 consecutive nights

2018-07-31 05:44:37 UTC

It’s because you came down on Ben and threatened party unity

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2018-07-31 05:44:52 UTC

How are socons supposed to feel now

2018-07-31 05:45:00 UTC

It’s not a “big tent party” any longer

2018-07-31 05:45:01 UTC

I respect SoCons lol

2018-07-31 05:45:05 UTC

Well good

2018-07-31 05:45:21 UTC

Hopefully that perception that you have can overshadow what you’ve done to Ben

2018-07-31 05:45:34 UTC

Actions speak louder than words. I will need to have this motion

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