#regional-legislatures (Discord ID: 454416723526025231) in #FedsShallRiseAgain!, page 8

am I a leftist, Bagel? 😃

Well you can always ask us for ideas Bagel

On how to campaign better

no ben

You have lots of potential

thanks

see, I want you in the Delegates, and I can help you get there!

but I can't do it unless you trust me. I am sorry for what happened with Leinad

but the party is not just him

The people have spoken thrice and I am pretty sure I understand loud and clear what they wanted

Leinad isnt the same guy he was before, BK fyi

has he changed over the past year?

Bagel, if yankee got his vote in, you were elected

I've always been the same

He constantly talks about his "declinjng mental state"

so I don't see the people 'having their say', means that Bagel was not elected

they would get reliability and sound mental health with me in there

On IRC

that's a surprise he was always a libertarian, but we had an effective partnership in the delegates before

passed constitutional carry among other things

but Atlas is "special" so I can understand why they choose some candidates

Bagel, have you looked up the ACP on the wiki?

I know what a 1911 round is yes

the atlas conservative party

oh

there's a page that goes over their principles.

ok

this party has room for me, it has room for you as well

I'm staying federalist

good. I might need you very soon.

@Oldenfranck this is what PUP and Peace think of you

not for personal election purposes just for registration and voting

well, again. if YT gets the house seat

and I think he will

I know they dislike me doesnt take a genius

I'm going to need another delegate on the CoD

I can't put you on my team unless you're there for it, Bagel.

even if I somehow got the nod I'd never win reelection I'd be the Atlasian Luther Strange

this will be my 4th term on the delegates. and I'm pretty sure I'm not less conservative than you 😉

it's not about that. It's about personality and weird things I've said and done

have you started a secessionary movement?

I'll admit, I've screwed up, but I've been punished more than a Saudi wife

no not planning too

I did that

in other words, too much

I mean tmth and PiT have done plenty of stupid stuff when they were kids

I'm your age LT lol

Lol

yea

but your talking to me like I'm 10 years younger

No

I'm burned out, in the past few hours I've realized I've spent too much time on fake elections, I'm just gonna stick more towards the actual elections side of the forum

bye guys

ok. Sorry to hear that Bagel

I think I might deregister for a while on the atlas elections side. Just consider me a defacto fed, I probably will be back after a while in the future.

Bagel, just take some time to yourself. Thank you for taking the time to run.

I've done that myself.

I mean I'm staying on the rest of the forum, don't get me wrong, just that board

for some time

yep.

What trumpsucks wrote was rude

Seriously wth was that

He did the same thing with the liberty party by essentially spouting random stuff about us only being concerned with the Bible and guns

@TheSaint250 what did he say

Trumpsucks said this, "I oppose conservatives on any bench. 

They don't believe in human rights and "somehow" believe that turning back the clock to a time when women, minorities and lbgt people had very little rights and no liberty is somehow the right time period to dictate current affairs."

😂

but I like the bible and guns

Can’t wait to get to work for our fellow Southerners tomorrow. My first action will be to vote on the War Powers amendment

Agreed, I encourage southerners to vote Nay!!!

done.

Vote no!

Already voted aye

ok, will be signing in. Sorry for the delay, work has been busy and crap

@everyone Can we please stop feuding in Atlasia discord?? We look like a complete shitshow. No feuding is ideal but we have this place that would probably be better for feuding.

Also you know I’m serious about this as this is the first time I’ve used the everyone tag, i still think it’s dumb

F

A

Can the delegate in question apologize publicly for wrongdoing

That’s how this is gonna end

I'm basically just putting it out there that I'm not tolerating Ben's behavior. and I have no problems hiding that.

I mean censuring is dumb

And pointless

We shouldn’t tolerate this behavior LT

I'm just saying if Ben is going to act like a fool in the Atlasia discord and in Atlasia, I have no problems publicly calling him out on it.

Censure isn’t dumb either for this sort of thing

he seems to forget most of Atlasia and a sizable chunk of the Federalist Party doesn't like him, if he wants to preach teamwork, he's going to have to practice what he preaches and stop acting like he's above other folks. he's doing no favors for himself by acting the way he is.

I’m sick of Bens attitude

I mean the bills he said hes voting against

Are not really real policy

But a regional name change and making drake and josh the regional anthem

Which is a pretty personal issue

How is everyone not seeing this clearly

regional name change is real policy, it's been discussed for quite some time.

That being said, the content of bills is not the issue, LT

It’s a policy, and if he can’t vote based on policy he shouldn’t be a delegate

Plain and simple

Everything introduced is policy of some sort

But the thing is that naming a region is very symbolic and it provides a legacy to whoever picks the name

So if he associates a certain name and song with you, and he has issues with you

Then he has no obligation to support your idea

He also hasn't addressed the raccoon issue at all :/

Since it's all just a vanity policy

many southerners expressed a desire to rename the region. it's an issue that's come up in the South tons of times post reset. it's not a vanity policy at all.

But southerners disagree on what to exactly rename it to

and the current discussion in the chamber has been to have the citizens vote on the version they prefer

And pretty much the Chamber will pick whichever name the "alpha male" gets the necessary votes for

even if YT hadn't introduced the bill, Ben would have tried to force through renaming it back to IDS, and been a lot less reasonable than YT on the issue

you don't know Ben and how he works

at least how it's currently planned, the southerners actually pick, not the chamber.

So would there be a referendum on a list of possible names?

And the chamber picks the list of names?

Ben wants to not give southerners a choice

He put a bill that would just need to be signed by the Governor

I want something that lets the people decide

So do you like the referendum list idea

Yeah

As I've stated previously, I will not sign a bill that changes the name of the region.

It should be a decision made by The People, not by 7 delegates and then me.

100% agreed

Yeah it needs to be a referendum

With a list choice

We just need to get names

I think we can open up the floor for the people’s suggestions

Close it after 24 hours

Then put it up as a list preference and the first one that hits with 50.1# gets to be the new name

That’s how I’d prefer it, I just don’t know the proper way of doing it

Maybe more than 24 hours

And yeah ranked choice voting is always great

Largely I think my plan is good

I really would prefer we not ever return to the IDS as it is really lame

What about IDJ

That’s not happening

let me catch up here.

There are people within the party that have explicitly requested and would prefer the IDS. It should be on the ballot, regardless as to what the others might think.

Personally I think a ballot with the south, jefferson and the IDS whichever gets the most should be the one used. That would be my preference if we're doing a ballot.

"Ben wants to not give southerners a choice" Look, Ahab. Can we please stop this?

"even if YT hadn't introduced the bill, Ben would have tried to force through renaming it back to IDS, and been a lot less reasonable than YT on the issue
you don't know Ben and how he works
at least how it's currently planned, the southerners actually pick, not the chamber"

well, if we're going to speculate on my motives am I at least allowed to present what I planned to do?

or are we just going to assume, sans proof and condemn me while we're at it?

my original plan was to present the IDS bill to rename the south the IDS. Beyond that was up to the delegates. The reason I wasn't happy was that as a con amendment, there were other issues that needed to be considered. Issues that have pretty much been glossed over and aren't relevant at present since we're not doing that. I don't see how that counts as 'forcing the bill through' anymore so than any other bill to the delegates.

"It’s a policy, and if he can’t vote based on policy he shouldn’t be a delegate" ok ahab, can you please stop with this?

@Deleted User just apologize and we can

To the southern people

Also dude your bill you proposed as a modification isn’t giving people a choice

Considering the Governor would have to sign it and it would be a law

The people wouldn’t decide

Part 16473817263749391716 of Ben lying again

I've stated here that I'm fine with a ballot

are you going to be civil ahab?

But what you proposed wasn’t

Look I’ve got an idea I want to work on with the Speaker

And I think it’ll work out well

that's why I stated I was fine with a ballot

because that was the question at hand no?

What I want is the Speaker to open the floor up to the general

Public

The people introduce their ideas

We close it after 24 hours

Then we pass a law allowing for a referendum to change the south’s name with a ranked choice election

The name that achieves 50.1% will be the new name

I think the three options are the majority options that have come up, Jefferson, the IDS and the South.

Well yeah

it seems to me that most people favor one of the three.

But it’s not democracy if we limit people’s choices now is it

I see no reason why a referendum between those three would be an issue

Which is why I want to open the floor up for public debate

To the general public I mean

we already have that in the thread that's been put up

there's a pretty good discussion in the thread, IMO

But it’s for members lol, what I’m proposing would be official

This way we have a clear cut way of doing things that has a specific timeline

And I hope Tim will agree with me on this

I see no need to reinvent the wheel when there's already a pretty good thread for public consultation on this issue

I think we can go ahead with the referendum between the three.

I’ll be voting no if you propose that, I think a clear time table is needed

on what grounds?

On the grounds the people should be specifically allowed to introduce their own ideas in a thread

there's already a thread for that

the people have spoken and I think it's pretty clear what their preferences are.

Not all of the people have spoken

you're never going to get all the people, YT

since we're in agreement with the three top choices, I don't see why we can't start up a referendum.

I know, but at what we have we’ve hardly had much input on the floor

I think we need more options

I’ve heard different names being thrown around

I think the top three are pretty clear and I don't think that will change.

Anyways I’ll reach out to Speaker-designate TimTurner about it

part of crafting a good referendum is to have clear choices, but also limited ones

I think that three is a reasonable ballot and I don't think we'll face criticism if we do it this way

Well actually as I’m thinking of it currently

If we introduced too much it would be tons of math for Peebs to do and calculate

That could take way longer than it needs to

yep. that's also a consideration

YT, I've made promises to drop this with you

Ben I’m not doing it unless you apologize

I've already apologized to you.

the next move is yours, not mine.

And my move is to vote for your censure

rather than accept my apology? Interesting.

Your apology is to be given to the southern people, not me

again, I've apologized to you. I consider the matter closed. You can either accept or reject my apology. I have no control over your actions.

It’s closed when the censure is closed

shrug. most people just go apology accepted. Oh well. Good luck YT.

THE FAKE NEWS

@here

Guys @Deleted User is a FF

This is the feud that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friend

The man simply wrote a bill

I will be introducing a motion to expel @YoungTexan from the party.

@everyone

why lol

Well his disruptive behavior has got to end

Because I dared him to

oof

I hope he does expel me

Or tries

You don’t belong in the Fed Party, you belong in the PUP

I’m waiting to see if he puts it on the forum

lol

The drama will die down once YT is elected to the House

Put up the motion on the forum lol

YT, remember when Labor tried to expel you after you joined them lol

lol Henry Wallave

But I’ve been in office a few days and now that I’m Deputy Speaker I’m not having it

Bad for party unity, YT has even said that it is “bogus”

You can never actually unify an entire group of people lol

Also yes @Deleted User expulsion from a party is a joke lol

Well you can, if it was possible to set differences aside. You’ve shown an inability to compromise with fellow Feds.

Because I didn’t vote for Ben for Speaker

Not saying what Ben did was right, but you aren’t either. Two wrongs don’t make a right

Because I didn’t vote for someone

No YT

I’m apparently committing an offense

Yeah dude it’s why you and Ben have spammed me for 3 consecutive nights

It’s because you came down on Ben and threatened party unity

What

Lol

How are socons supposed to feel now

It’s not a “big tent party” any longer

I respect SoCons lol

Well good

Hopefully that perception that you have can overshadow what you’ve done to Ben

Actions speak louder than words. I will need to have this motion