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2018-10-24 02:32:40 UTC

So... I'm going to be chair?

2018-10-24 02:33:29 UTC
2018-10-24 02:33:31 UTC


2018-10-24 02:33:55 UTC

Co-Chairs maybe?

2018-10-24 02:43:07 UTC

if you want to be chair that's fine.

2018-10-24 02:50:05 UTC

@Deleted User @Tea Party Hater should work together

2018-10-24 02:50:26 UTC

Don't forget our other parliamentarian, @Joey

2018-10-24 02:50:40 UTC

And Joey!

2018-10-24 02:50:43 UTC

What fun!

2018-10-24 23:10:46 UTC


2018-10-24 23:10:51 UTC

@Deleted User Which of Thunder, Katman and Rfayette do you think would be best?

2018-10-24 23:11:03 UTC

I think Thunder or Katman would be great

2018-10-24 23:11:10 UTC

Since they are new people

2018-10-24 23:11:13 UTC

In the game

2018-10-24 23:11:21 UTC

@YoungTexan Which do you think would be best?

2018-10-24 23:14:11 UTC

Thunder98, Katman or RFayette?

2018-10-24 23:14:39 UTC

For Parli

2018-10-24 23:15:19 UTC

To represent the conservative base.

2018-10-24 23:24:20 UTC

@Deleted User Just confirmed, I have the votes to overturn YE's veto of any gun control bill.

2018-10-24 23:24:28 UTC


2018-10-24 23:24:48 UTC

Myself, Joey, Devout Centrist and ON Progressive are all in favour.

2018-10-24 23:25:05 UTC

Can you just not do that

2018-10-24 23:25:38 UTC

@Deleted User Just to double check, Atlasia doesn't have a Assault Weapons Ban in effect at the moment?

2018-10-24 23:25:58 UTC

No they dont

2018-10-24 23:26:04 UTC

And it shouldnt

2018-10-24 23:29:47 UTC


2018-10-24 23:29:54 UTC

I want thunder

2018-10-24 23:29:58 UTC

But he’s not here

2018-10-24 23:51:01 UTC

Look, we can't do what Labor wants

2018-10-24 23:51:07 UTC

At this point in time

2018-10-24 23:51:10 UTC
2018-10-24 23:52:08 UTC

I mean could you just write other bills

2018-10-24 23:52:16 UTC

On other topics

2018-10-24 23:52:24 UTC

That wont piss off your voters

2018-10-24 23:52:27 UTC

It's not as if any gun control bill is getting through the senate.

2018-10-24 23:52:34 UTC

Yeah it would

2018-10-24 23:52:34 UTC

Not with sestak.

2018-10-24 23:52:45 UTC

Sestak does support some gun control

2018-10-24 23:53:00 UTC

And definitely will as he is Labor chair now

2018-10-24 23:53:13 UTC

There will be a special election

2018-10-24 23:53:18 UTC

For MB's seat

2018-10-25 00:39:53 UTC

@Tea Party Hater when did you change your name? πŸ˜›

2018-10-25 00:40:01 UTC


2018-10-25 00:51:04 UTC

Oh how rude, lol

2018-10-25 00:53:29 UTC

If only Torie voted differently...

2018-10-25 00:53:32 UTC


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2018-10-25 00:55:33 UTC

And if two Weatherboy voters voted differently...

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2018-10-25 00:56:03 UTC

yep always those what ifs

2018-10-25 00:56:21 UTC

I mean Doof won his February 2017 upset

2018-10-25 00:56:37 UTC

By getting 3 old radical lefties to vote for him

2018-10-25 00:56:49 UTC

Al, Hashemite, and Oakvale

2018-10-25 03:00:14 UTC

We lost in Fremont to alpha in the senate special election by 3 votes last July

2018-10-25 03:00:42 UTC

so Fremont has been a tough region for us for a while

2018-10-25 03:01:13 UTC

and that was with getting siren and Ebowed support

2018-10-25 22:30:21 UTC

@Deleted User @YoungTexan @NCY1689 What is the current extent of Atlasian firearm laws?

2018-10-25 22:30:35 UTC

I know we don't have an Assault Weapons Ban

2018-10-25 22:30:47 UTC

Mostly legal

2018-10-25 22:31:30 UTC

Do we have any controls?

2018-10-25 22:31:56 UTC

I'll try pulling up some bills

2018-10-25 22:32:16 UTC

Because I don't want to call for anything we already have.

2018-10-25 22:32:46 UTC


2018-10-25 22:34:20 UTC

@Deleted User Isn't gun control federal?

2018-10-25 22:34:30 UTC

Both regional and Federal

2018-10-25 22:34:47 UTC

So what gun control measures are currently in force?

2018-10-25 22:34:48 UTC
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2018-10-25 22:35:38 UTC

Section 1: Title and Definitions
1. The title of this act shall be the β€œGun Reform Act.”
2. An "Assault weapon" is defined as an AR-15.
3."Bumpstocks" is defined as the act of using the recoil of a semi-automatic firearm to fire shots quickly.

Section 2: Regulations
1. The sale and use of bump stocks in Fremont is hereby illegal.
2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.
3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.
4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.
5. Gun manufactures should not be held accountable if an individual commits or attempts to commit a crime with a gun, provided the gun was acquired in a legal way.

Section 3: Gun Purchases
1. Guns shall only be sold by sellers approved by the Commonwealth of Fremont.
a. Gun sales at gun shows shall be hereby prohibited unless by approved sellers.

Section 4: Violations
1. Unauthorized sale and/or gifting of weapons shall warrant a punishment of the gifter/seller to be determined by a court of law.

Section 5:
1. This act shall be implemented immediately,

2018-10-25 22:36:28 UTC

@Deleted User that is what Fremont passed

2018-10-25 22:37:06 UTC

@Deleted User And nothing federally?

2018-10-25 22:37:38 UTC

I think some reforms may have been passed but nothing major

2018-10-25 22:37:56 UTC

I know the no fly list restriction was passed

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2018-10-25 22:38:07 UTC

Can't remember if bump stocks were banned

2018-10-25 22:38:25 UTC

Though all three regions banned them

2018-10-25 22:39:37 UTC

@Deleted User Now what measures to pt into the resolution...

2018-10-25 22:39:53 UTC

Ban on automatic and semi-automatic weapons of course

2018-10-25 22:43:40 UTC

@Deleted User Do we have federal gun registration?

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2018-10-25 22:45:24 UTC

@Deleted User Do we have mandatory background checks?

2018-10-25 22:46:21 UTC

Yes I believe so not 100% sure

2018-10-25 22:54:59 UTC

That this house calls on the federal government to institute tighter Gun Control.
Whereas, current levels of gun crime and violence in Atlasia are the highest in the western world.
Whereas, the federal government has done nothing to combat this crisis.
Resolved, that the Commonwealth of Fremont calls on the federal government to institute tighter gun control measures.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include mandatory background checks on buyers of firearms.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a federal gun registry with complete retroactivity.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a complete ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of automatic and semi-automatic firearms.
Further Resolved, that such measures should include a complete ban on the carry of firearms for the purpose of self-defence without a permit.

2018-10-25 22:58:14 UTC

Such a bill would most likley be unconstitutional

2018-10-25 22:58:39 UTC

@Deleted User I am calling on the federal government to introduce such measures.

2018-10-25 22:58:49 UTC

They can deal with constitutional issues.

2018-10-25 23:01:11 UTC

Meanwhile I'm now drafting a bill to repeal our Gun Reform act.

2018-10-25 23:01:30 UTC

Main aim is a complete ban on Assault Weapons within Fremont.

2018-10-25 23:01:36 UTC

manufacture, sale and possession

2018-10-25 23:12:29 UTC

@Deleted User If I want to pass conflicting legislation do I have to first repeal the conflicting legislation?

2018-10-25 23:12:54 UTC

Namely, a Fremont Assault Weapons ban

2018-10-25 23:12:55 UTC

Probably best but you can do so in the same bill

2018-10-25 23:13:06 UTC

@Deleted User What is the best way to word it.

2018-10-25 23:13:58 UTC

@Deleted User What If I only want to strike down parts of the original act.

2018-10-25 23:14:10 UTC

I don't want to get rid of the bump stock ban.

2018-10-25 23:14:30 UTC

1. Part XXX of The Gun Reform Act are repealed

2018-10-25 23:14:54 UTC

XXX is whatever parts of the act you want it to be

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2018-10-25 23:17:11 UTC

@Deleted User How to notate parts of a section?

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2018-10-25 23:17:35 UTC

I want to strike down 2 through 5 of section 2 of a bill.

2018-10-25 23:17:41 UTC

Section 2: Regulations
1. The sale and use of bump stocks in Fremont is hereby illegal.
***2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.***
***3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.***
***4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.***
***5. Gun manufactures should not be held accountable if an individual commits or attempts to commit a crime with a gun, provided the gun was acquired in a legal way.***

2018-10-25 23:18:18 UTC

@Deleted User How would I word a repeal of only the bolded parts of section 2.

2018-10-25 23:18:26 UTC

That is, 2., 3., 4. and 5.

2018-10-25 23:19:09 UTC

1. Section 2.2 -2.5 of the Gun Reform act are hereby repealed

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2018-10-25 23:35:29 UTC

I am proud to be introducing a Fremont Assault Weapons Ban.

2018-10-25 23:35:29 UTC

To ban Assault Weapons.

Section 1: Title

1. This act may be cities as the Fremont Assault Weapons Ban Act.

Section 2: Repeal

1. Section 2.2 - 2.4 of the Gun Reform Act are hereby repealed, namely-
2. No state is allowed to prohibit the sale and use of assault weapons.
3. No state is allowed to have more than a seven day or less than a 72 hour waiting period before acquiring a gun.
4. No state is allowed to ban less than 15 rounds of ammunition.

Section 3: Assault Weapons Ban

1. The manufacture, sale, possession and use of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby illegal.

2. The sale and use of silencers or suppressors on guns in Fremont is hereby illegal.

Section 4: Implementation
1. This act shall be implemented immediately.

2018-10-25 23:46:46 UTC

This bill is unconstitutional

2018-10-25 23:47:12 UTC

@Deleted User We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

2018-10-25 23:47:19 UTC

Actually, how is it unconstitutional?

2018-10-25 23:48:17 UTC

It violates section 7 of the bill of rights (aka the atlasian version of the 2nd amendment)

2018-10-25 23:48:33 UTC

@Deleted User But it's only Assault Weapons.

2018-10-25 23:48:55 UTC

And the real-life AWB wasn't unconstitutional.

2018-10-25 23:49:04 UTC

Even if it wasn't passed.

2018-10-25 23:49:38 UTC

@Reactionary Thoughts?

2018-10-25 23:49:46 UTC

Oh lmao

2018-10-25 23:49:55 UTC

Mr. R would hate this bill

2018-10-25 23:50:02 UTC

I know he will.

2018-10-25 23:50:02 UTC

More than anyone in here

2018-10-25 23:50:19 UTC

However he is always the one who points out how something is unconstitutional.

2018-10-25 23:50:46 UTC

So after he tells me why it is unconstitutional, I can revise it to so that it passes constitutional muster.

2018-10-26 00:10:33 UTC

@Reactionary So what are the legal problems with an assault weapons ban?

2018-10-26 03:24:23 UTC

100% guarantee he won't help a bad bill pass

2018-10-26 03:24:54 UTC

that's always been something he stood by

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2018-10-26 04:15:10 UTC

@YoungTexan How much do you hate my gun control bills?

2018-10-30 02:53:56 UTC

@Deleted User Just checking something,

2018-10-30 02:54:16 UTC

How supportive of gun control are JGibson and Griffin?

2018-10-30 02:54:42 UTC

They love gun controlπŸ˜›

2018-10-30 02:55:06 UTC

So the only leftist in the house with any problem with gun control is Jimmy?

2018-10-30 02:55:21 UTC

I guess so

2018-10-30 03:13:59 UTC

@Deleted User Where do you think Canis and Sestak would sit on this bill?

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2018-10-30 03:14:31 UTC

It is a bad bill tho

2018-10-30 03:14:47 UTC

*In your opinion.

2018-10-30 03:15:20 UTC

Yes, gun control is bad and dumb

2018-10-30 03:15:30 UTC

*In your opinion.

2018-10-30 03:15:42 UTC

And it's good in your opinion

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2018-10-30 03:16:10 UTC

That is why I support these measures, while you oppose them.

2018-10-30 05:13:09 UTC

I think it's a bit disingenuous that you're focusing so hard on this issue when you did not campaign on it, or even disclose those views at any point prior to getting elected

2018-10-30 05:18:28 UTC

In fact, this was your focus on the campaign:

"To sum up, If you elect me I shall focus on two areas; Tax Cuts and Infrastructure spending. And indeed, I shall get stuff done in these areas for the people of Fremont."

2018-10-30 05:54:57 UTC

@Deleted User I'm extremely pragmatic.

2018-10-30 05:55:12 UTC

When I discover an area of concern, that becomes my Number 1 priority.

2018-10-30 05:55:18 UTC

Why focus on gun control though

2018-10-30 05:55:41 UTC

right away their are lots of other possible priorities

2018-10-30 05:56:08 UTC

During research on current statue I was extremely alarmed at the complete lack of any gun control.

2018-10-30 05:56:17 UTC

That became a major concern to me.

2018-10-30 05:56:29 UTC

And became my number 1 priority.

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2018-10-30 05:56:59 UTC

@Deleted User I am completely focused on Tax Cuts and infrastructure.

2018-10-30 05:57:13 UTC

You shall see this when I introduce all the bills I have ready.

2018-10-30 05:57:30 UTC

However I decided that I wanted to get Gun Control out of the way first.

2018-10-30 05:58:20 UTC

Atlasia has some gun control

2018-10-30 05:58:44 UTC

Bump stock bans in each region.

2018-10-30 05:58:47 UTC

That's about it.

2018-10-30 05:59:30 UTC

like I said before, you made absolutely no mention of an interest in this topic when campaigning. and I'm starting to feel like you intentionally did it this way.

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2018-10-30 05:59:57 UTC

Gun control wasn't on my mind during the campaign.

2018-10-30 06:00:30 UTC

However after I was sure I was elected I decided to read through the entirety of current Federal and Regional statute.

2018-10-30 06:01:02 UTC

Only when I was reading through this did Gun Control get on my agenda.

2018-10-30 06:02:23 UTC

We have some gun control legislation

2018-10-30 06:02:32 UTC

Bump Stocks and Trigger Cranks.

2018-10-30 06:02:32 UTC

it’s just not a winning strategy

2018-10-30 06:02:36 UTC

A no fly list.

2018-10-30 06:02:42 UTC

You have to pick your battles @Deleted User

2018-10-30 06:02:46 UTC

And background checks.

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2018-10-30 06:02:58 UTC

@Deleted User I picked this battle.

2018-10-30 06:03:12 UTC

Because Gun Control is something I strongly believe in.

2018-10-30 06:03:34 UTC

Yes but it has a huge backlash risk to it

2018-10-30 06:03:49 UTC

gun control is a highly controversial issues in Atlasia

2018-10-30 06:04:12 UTC

and not one that is really that popular outside of the left

2018-10-30 06:04:21 UTC

I don't care. It's something I believe in.

2018-10-30 06:04:39 UTC

worth noting that the Federalist Party platform contains this:

- That the right to bear arms is a fundamental freedom that should be protected for all Atlasians

2018-10-30 06:05:08 UTC

"The Federalist Party is a broad church"

2018-10-30 06:05:31 UTC

I think it was YT who said that while he was trying to recruit me.

2018-10-30 06:05:41 UTC

Someone did in discord DMs, I'm sure of that.

2018-10-30 06:06:53 UTC

it's great that you're fighting for something you believe in, but you intentionally withheld this position from party members while campaigning, and waited until being elected to not only making it known, but your biggest priority (which once again goes against what you campaigned on)

2018-10-30 06:06:55 UTC

I mean we will not force you to do anything you dont want to do

2018-10-30 06:07:30 UTC

we aren't going to force you to change your views, but you have to understand why our concerns are valid

2018-10-30 06:07:51 UTC

You can do what you want but don’t expect the party to support you if your campaigning on something very unpopular with the party

2018-10-30 06:08:40 UTC

ASV the reason gun control isn't a big concern in Atlas is because in fantasy government land there are no mass shootings because it's not real life

2018-10-30 06:09:34 UTC

Well, Atlasia is different from RL politics

2018-10-30 06:09:41 UTC

like I don't make it a priority at all

2018-10-30 06:09:44 UTC

Considering how we all are policy nerds

2018-10-30 06:10:04 UTC

Anyway, once the Gun Control bills are done I'll get back to my priority list.

2018-10-30 06:10:14 UTC

I have 11 infrastructure bills ready on standby.

2018-10-30 06:10:37 UTC

And I'm still tinkering on what to do to the budget,

2018-10-30 06:10:46 UTC

And what other taxes should be cut.

2018-10-30 06:11:11 UTC

How are the income taxes like in Fremont

2018-10-30 06:11:30 UTC

Or business taxes

2018-10-30 06:11:53 UTC

Income Tax (by tax bracket)

$0K - $75K (-2%)
$75 - $125K (0%)
$125 - $200K (2%)
$200K - $1M (5%)
$1M - $10M (10%)
$10M - $100M (15%)
$100M+ (20%)

2018-10-30 06:12:55 UTC

So Fremont has a UBI, interesting

2018-10-30 06:14:38 UTC

where do you see that

2018-10-30 06:14:43 UTC

Hopefully I can put a good dent in the $377 Billion Dollar surplus (It was $517 Billion last year).

2018-10-30 06:15:03 UTC

The negative rate

2018-10-30 06:15:09 UTC

For less than 75k

2018-10-30 06:15:41 UTC

We're still waiting for Truman to cost the budget.

2018-10-30 06:16:01 UTC

After he does the I'll introduce my amendments.

2018-10-30 06:16:03 UTC

oh that's what that is

2018-10-30 06:21:16 UTC

Anyway, @Tea Party Hater @Deleted User @Deleted User @Deleted User What do you think is most important of my infrastructure bills?

Rail upgrades
Passenger Rail
Highway Upgrades
Highway Maintenance
Air services
Airport upgrades
New Dams
Irrigation schemes
Mass Transit (Metro, Subways)
Light Rail

2018-10-30 06:21:29 UTC

i.e., in what order should I introduce them?

2018-10-30 06:21:57 UTC

Not pinged but highway maintenance

2018-10-30 06:22:01 UTC

Por rail upgrades

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2018-10-30 06:22:45 UTC

What is more used, rail or highway?

2018-10-30 06:25:54 UTC

Anyone else?

2018-10-30 06:31:48 UTC

~~Answer me or I'll nationalise the banks and make union membership compulsory~~

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2018-10-30 06:33:33 UTC

I guess highways

2018-10-30 06:33:48 UTC

And road maintenance

2018-10-30 06:34:01 UTC

I like the sound of Dams though.

2018-10-30 06:34:06 UTC

I like Dams generally.

2018-10-30 06:36:37 UTC

I mean it's your bill

2018-10-30 06:36:47 UTC

But roads are more used in the US

2018-10-30 06:37:23 UTC

This is not the US

2018-10-30 06:37:25 UTC


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2018-10-30 06:37:37 UTC

Dams are good because they are big things.

2018-10-30 06:37:48 UTC

Road upgrades are lots of small things.

2018-10-30 06:38:55 UTC

Well, you could put block grants in your bills

2018-10-30 06:39:18 UTC

That gives NPCs the choice to work on specific projects

2018-10-30 06:39:31 UTC

I just think that Dams are a good headline act.

2018-10-30 06:39:45 UTC

Because they are a few very big things you can point to.

2018-10-30 06:39:56 UTC

I guess so

2018-10-30 06:40:02 UTC

Road upgrades are hundreds, thousands of small to medium sized things.

2018-10-30 13:31:28 UTC

I do as well feel you did this intentionally

2018-10-30 13:31:48 UTC

Considering you had told me this was not a priority

2018-10-30 13:32:14 UTC

And you kept saying how in America it was needed or whatever (which I still thought was weird)

2018-10-30 18:35:13 UTC

I was sleeping when you pinged me and now I’m at work. I’ll look later when I’m home

2018-10-31 03:20:46 UTC

I would say road maintenance first

2018-10-31 03:21:51 UTC

I think Dams first.

2018-10-31 03:21:57 UTC

I really like Dams.

2018-11-12 00:01:06 UTC

We are actually going to run 1 real Fed in January, aren't we?

2018-11-12 00:01:40 UTC

We'll try and run as many people as possible for all regional positions

2018-11-12 00:02:05 UTC

But, I mean, me and Joey aren't exactly representative of Fremont Federalists.

2018-11-12 00:02:22 UTC

Well then we'd run others

2018-11-12 00:02:50 UTC

Yeah, we really need to run at least 1 real federalist in january.

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