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@Deleted User Also, especially with recruiting, can we move moderates into Fremont.
That means it'll be harder to make lists of which voters each candidate should target
Because although Lincoln might be stronger currently, it isn't consistent.
The right has never been able to get over the hump in Fremont.
Not moderate enough?
Not enough Fed voters
And too many Labor voters
Being more moderate wont do much
Well I doubt me alone will change that demographic. I was one of the few Feds elected in Lincoln back in ‘17
Well, you were the only fed out of 5 elected people
4 of whom were laborites
Given that I am the current face of the Fremont Federalists, and our only path to winning is through co-operation with the left.
Also, Joey is one of us.
I know then I ran for Gov and got 40% of the vote
The left wont cooperate with us
Scott for example.
We are in the same regional party.
That doesnt matter
There's a reason I'm pushing regional parties hard.
He will vote Labor
Cooperating with the left wont work with people like Sestak in charge now
In terms of electioneering
Well he is a Fremont Senator and Labor Chairman
Sestak is labor chair
and won’t cooperate with us
Who coordinated their wins in Oct
@Deleted User There's a reason I make sure to only antagonise Pericles.
Well, Pericles is easy to antagonize
And also, me and him talk very cordially in private messages, because Kiwis and Aussies can't truly hate each other
Because he's pure scum
Basically, my aim in Fremont is to seperate federal ideology.
Also, build consensus
Pericles won’t cooperate
I'm pushing the Centre Party ***hard***
I mean, of course he won't co operate.
Consensus for the sake of consensus wont work
I don’t know why wins people think that
I just talked to Pericles guys relax
But I'm working very well with Devout Centrist and YE and ON Progressive.
Unless you bang your shoe on the table
He’s willing to listen to my ideas that’s a start
Pericles is trying to use you
Dont trust him
He's already tried to get stuff out of me.
I am right
You misinterpret me
Of course he's trying to use me.
But I'm not stupid.
I haven’t given him any ideas yet he’ll just have to wait until I am elected
why are you working with him
I'm not working with him.
This is the same shit that Jimmy did
Before he defected
Good god I don't want to defect to Labor,
Especially not with WB as Pres
Work with Pericles on stuff
I mean, WB is a nice person
Lol that’s a disaster
But he shouldn't be Pres
@Deleted User Basically, I want to get along with everyone. Disagree, yes. But not make it personal.
I mean, I've only made one enemy yet, fhtagn. And that was sort of to be expected.
I mean, I think fhtagn seems to be a very nice person.
She just seems to have gone off the deep end ideologically.
Well, yeah she is certainly passionate about what she believes
And I know she's an enemy because she's blocked me.
Other than that, I get along more than cordially with everyone else.
The only person I openly antagonise is Pericles.
For the record, I've always been pro-gun. even as a lefty. I'm from rural Alaska and grew up around guns. to use my position on that as "gone off the deep end ideologically" is being completely misinformed.
No hard feelings fhtagn
You're just like my maternal family.
All from the bush.
A good many farmers.
The rest consistently the only lawyer in town.
and even as a green voter i still voted in favor of making right to work part of the VA constitution
When was that
I perfectly understand that you cannot outright ban all firearms universally.
Farmers and Hunters do need basic rifles
Farmers for pest control
Hunters for Hunting
I find it hilarious how fucking grenades are legal for "pest control" in Australia
And you seem fine with it
i think the argument for banning semiautomatics is grossly uninformed, because that's just the truth
semiautomatics are not inherently dangerous
Semiautomatics are totally fine
and placing bans on how much ammunition one can buy and own actually does more harm than good
people who own firearms need to be able to practice in order to ensure they are always safely able to handle it. lowering the amount of ammunition takes away their ability to do that.
Criminals are still going to get guns from somewhere
it's encouraging inexperienced owners
Either legally bought or illegally bought
if you really want a rifle to commit a crime you’ll get it
Well the difference is that I agree with the Australian government.
And it punishes law abiding citizens
Self-Defence is not a valid reason to own a firearm
especially with the amount of gangs that exists south of our border
Who cant defend themselves
you are on an island. we dont have that luxury
If someone attacks you with a gun shouldn’t you have one
to protect yourself
At the end of the day guns are only as dangerous as the person that is using them wants it to be
I like the australian laws.
Guns are not bad it’s the people
Handguns are banned.
Basically, I think rural people need guns.
Not city people
People kill people, not guns
It’s their motivations
And our criminals rarely have guns because it's so hard to obtain them.
that's all fine and dandy, but Australian gun laws cannot work in the US
I mean, I've fired guns.
I understand the need for guns.
I understand that there has to be exceptions for shooters
ASV what works in Australia doesn’t automatically work in the rest of the world
There would be such outrage if handguns were banned here
2nd Amendment friends
I mean I'm sure you noticed through all your chats with Americans on discord, that our mentalities and values are very different
Than you aussies
Like the accents though ASV
anyway I hope you understand different countries have different values
Oh, of course I do
Why do you defend your proposals as it worked in my country so it should work in another
Sorry I don't have time today.
I am writing an essay
Also, there's election night tonight
So I'm running my spreadsheets
Also, I'm talking among Fremont parliament
the same issues in America still apply to Atlasia.
Not gonna lie
I would shit myself if nerd actually participates in this debate
Also, I'm working my way through PMs to get people to vote.
TM is handling the south
And Lincoln will be fine
Basically, I see my role as party secretary very simply.
To inform citizens that a vote is being held, among other things.
It is up to the candidates to convince the voters.
@Deleted User I won't do this for big ticket races unless you all specifically want too.
Or for close partisan races.
@Deleted User Basically, it's all of your jobs to get out the hard to votes and to convince the tossups and get defectors.
I just whip the zombies and partisans on our side.
Also, I can handle most of it for recall petitions
And Lincoln is generally hard to turn out
Whew!!!! What a busy day meeting with business leaders
TM is working so hard for the south
not sure why sestak wants to drag his feet on Lechasseur's expulsion. it's not like it's controversial
because an active fed will replace him
I'm sure Sestak would rather have inactive Feds
Just as he got pissed at the whole Haslam explulsion
they still have the votes to pass shit
but an active fed can bring to light their stupidity
But let's say, if one of us are a Senator, we could play aggressive and filibuster stuff too
And object to stuff all the time
To slow down the senate
they don't care about what is better for the game, but what is better for them to keep power
to be fair, we dont have that now and things are still going slow
Well, I'm doing my part in the House
they have the necessary votes to ram shit through but theyre so disorganized and stupid
They could even replace atlascare with single fucking payer if they wanted to
they will lose the House this election. (hopefully) 😃
And maybe the senate too
How would they lose the Senate? I don't know who is all running.
Canis resigned from fremont
So there's a special election between Lumine, Koopa, Pericles, and Nerd
And then the other seat is up
Lumine, is he willing to work with us?
for someone who wanted PPT so bad, sestak's been awfully incompetent
Lumine is good at working against Labor
So why don't we just throw our support behind him instead of running a candidate in the election and then but our guy in dec
Well, that's up to Koopa
But hopefully his 2nd prefs will push Lumine to victory
And plus Pericles is a horrible candidate
Do we have anyone that would win in Lincoln?
YT has been talking about getting Admiral President to run
But he'll probably only get Hugin level support😛
RC told me he’s interested
RC would be would I run. He might not be Fed but he will work with us. And he can win in Lincoln.
RC is governor though
We need the senate seat more
And Labor might flop with these special assembly races
Since they only got one candidate so far
And wxtransit is running as an indy
Idk if I want to be gov anymore and Senate is probably the only other office I'd go to
I say run for Senate 😃
idk if I have the time to commit to being in the assembly
As with the changes the party no longer automatically endorses party members.
So you all need to request endorsement in the convention thread.
And a vote will be held on all endorsements.
Namely, that all party candidates have to request the party's endorsement, rather than being automatically endorsed.
the amendment is pretty straight forward
Oh yes it is very straightforward.
What I mean is, I don't think people know about it.
If a person deletes their ballot after ballots have been counted (i.e. the election booth administrator has published the results) is it still counted? I've been looking through the elections that I missed and apparently Technocracy Timmy has a large gap in his post history where a lot of material seems to have been deleted, yet apparently was a valid voter in a number of elections
Well, I know he only voted in the June Presidential
he voted in feb too
according to the fed board