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Products in tech are often build towards a lifespan and companies need to determine what that lifespan might be. Products that last too long are expensive in tech. Tech support, websites, engineers, compatibility, etc. The product is reasonably sold for a time before people want the next product, Every company in tech moves on like this.

Silicone also wears out fast and there's not really a reasonable replacement, CPU's slow down, software demands outships the hardware. Software and hardware also move independently and in different directions.

planned obsolescense isn't really a thing in computerland yeah

Its not companies rubbing their hands together and deliberately make tech that breaks, but it does have a date.

I think that's what you mean?

shit also just fails over time

if it fails _unreasonably quickly_, and consistently does so, _then_ you can suspect it's deliberate

you don't rly see that in electronics much

Planned obsolesence would require cooperation, only one company not joining in would mean that the cartel is broken.

eh, not as much as you might think, like i said re: power tools, only the cheap brands do that, and they're owned by all of like 2 companies

The idea is also a Marxian theory

the nicer ones don't do it

Monopolies do form naturally

ye

That's an issue

I see your point better

capitalism is designed to concentrate resources to as few people as possible, by design, this naturally creates monopolies

and planned obsolescense can work outside monopolies, but only when marketed right

the price has to be low enough that a casual user would be fine replacing it over buying a more expensive option to begin with

Capitalism is not designed that way

Its cause and effect

Because human production is top-heavy

i mean, it kinda is, wealth never flows back down when profit by definition requires the labor is paid less than the value they create for their employer

You forget that productive creativity is rare

i dunno, it's just so blatant i can't see it as anything but deliberate and malicious

but yeah nah the things where you _actually_ see planned obsolescense aren't the ones people gripe about it being in

go buy a cheap chair, with a cheap sylinder to raise and lower it

it's designed to last a certain number of actuations, then fail

forcing you to buy a new chair

So you'd rather give money and power to those who can take it forcibly and supress the people below it, opposed to people who can sustain and were responsible for the innovation /growth

or the brakes on a BMW with the edge on em that eats away material for no reason

and then you have to replace $15000 of parts to fix it

I'd rather money not even be a thing tbh

i'm sitting here waiting on post scarcity

because shit isn't getting fixed util then

Planned obsolesence is real

But the idea that something could last 10 years is not

hey, plenty things do last that long, even in computersland

my r710 is nearly that old and running strong

i have a few workstation laptops older than 12 years old that run fine too

Ye but its not the same

Lets give this product a realistic timespan vs lets make it break so they buy another

@Patrick god lemme see if i can find the video where dude tears one down and shows all the shit that's blatantly made to destroy other ideally-unrelated parts

The intention of putting it that way is obviously to discredit

i think it was a scotty kilmer video

It does happen

>new videos every day

fuck.

@Shrimpf yea short service life is way more common in laptops and shit than actual planned obsolescense

But it is usually punished

planned obsolescense would actually mean companies making the components being in on it too and it'd get real complex and expensive real fast

Or done in times of instability

@Patrick the brake pads due to friction

vs just not putting the effort and money into making it robust and reliable

"Capitalism is designed to create monopolies" Not really. Communism is.

Ye not only that

you only see planned obsolescense in products where the manufacturer actually designs the whole thing

They would do it together

And it would dissolve the idea of a product fanboy

@Igmdigm wat

You want to keep them buying

Only, technically, because it's run by people.

Not walk off because it is shit

pls be bait, pls

I wont buy a laptop company again

Government either erodes over time or is taken over from the beginning, eventually drawing the country into overtaxation + ill-priced goods.

This has happened in every single communist government established to date.

>when you are too concentrated ,programming in the train and you miss your stop, and you end up being in some mountain village in the middle of nowhere

Capitalism, funny enough, only doesn't work when government gets in the way.

@Kaytee true. Usually that is seen in cars as service cost starts skyrocketing after warranty

dude thats so comfy

Take it

Take the bait

doe in a way if you are adept dealing with cars is not a big deal

it is usually the costs of the mechanic that hurts the wallet

That mountain looks aesthetic as fuck

comfy mountain

And yeah. Kaytee your homework is to go watch Milton Friedman.

i've probably read more economics and polsci works than you tbh

And yet, you've taken away so little.

i've taken plenty bc i actually read stuff from multiple different perspectives and movements

Muh lolbertarianism

@porcorosso#2322 I wouldn't even be mad, that's a gorgeous view

dont step

FUCKING

why do libertarians only have one respectable economist to point to, i wonder :^)

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Kek

MENTIONS

Lgbt melts the brain

@porco

HOW?

@Cole big dumdum

theyre not even broke

delet this

youre jsut dum lmao

DELET THIS

>socialism working

hahahaha