No, not since the Second Temple was destroyed.

A H E h

Mosaic law states that forgiveness cannot be obtained otherwise

For the entire nation, individual cases are different.

Unless you think that Yaweh simply forgives his chosen people with repentance and good deeds?

Plus, there was an entire line between the First and Second temple

We do not believe in heaven and hell

That view is not found in the Torah

Am I talking to a real member of the tribe

so like forgiveness is good but it's not super important

in the end we all go to sheol

unless you're a kabbalist but they are whackadoo

Whatever you say mensch

i have had it explained to me this way

with you there are good angels, and bad angels

if you do mitzvot, more follow you and make it easier for you to not make transgression

Are you orthodox, conservative or reform

if you transgress, bad angels do the same but they make it harder

orthodox

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if you are not frum you are not a jew

Oh boy

at least christians respect the Torah, they worship idols but they don't know they do

Is a Hellfire missle being sent to my small Palestinian village now?

but at least they respect the Torah. the Reform and Conservative don't.

Zionists are not usually Orthodox

they are secular usually

I respect the Torah yes, but I would halt your claims of idolatry there

In Judaism, we believe that G-d is completely One in unity

The torah predicts a saviour

Yes, I know you do. I believe in the Trinity

it would go against the Oneness of G-d to propose that he is divisible into three persons

He is not

Three is one and one is three

They are all one.

>three is one

The trinitarian is different aspects of the Lord

do you know how numbers work

Yes I do

>different aspects

that's heresy to a proper christian

It has been written and theorized.

A proper Christian?

st. athanasius did not write the athanasian creed just to be dabbed on 1700 years later

And yet he was

The trinity is the way it is

if it is real, st. athanasius' view is the only valid one

So says the church of St. PETER

Three aspects of one god, manifest pieces of the lord that are actually one. How he has chosen to present himself to us through the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

the church of St. Peter is the only proper church

others do not respect the Torah

they create whackadoo bible societies

As I said, the Torah tells of a saviour

And that is what the church of St. PETER says

that saviour would be rejected by the people.

@NullJager but nowhere does it state the moshiach being G-d

you're speaking of Isaiah with the rejection thing iirc

Isaiah 44 or some such

That refers to Israel, Jacob, not the Nazarene

Oof, he brings out the misread theory

that is the traditional interpretation

unless you are specifically looking for a proof of the Nazarene you will not find it in Isaiah

Brother, my respect for God's chosen ends here

Well, there have been a good few who have postulated that it did not refer to Jacob and Israel.

And they were not just on the Christian side of the fence.

such as?

@NullJager are you Catholic?

no, otherwise he would not posit that the Trinity is aspects of G-d @Alex D_rizzle

That is not Catholic teaching

No at the moment I'm non-denom.

it is not professed in the athanasian creed

Christened CoE.

The Roman Catholic church does teach the Trinity

correct, but not in the sense that NullJager professes

the idea of the persons of the trinity being aspects was condemned

@Deleted User in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit

And I'm just using the words that came to mind at the time.

They are taught as three consubstantial persons.

Yes that is the term exactly

Reinforced and taught by the Roman Catholic Church

that is what is professed in the athanasian creed correct

And are you in disagreenance with this?

i'm not a christian so like

Fair

The Catholic church also held as dogma until the 1970s that your people were personally responsible for the crucifixion of Christ

what are you talking about it still does

it's true

It was removed

In 1971 I believe

no, just because new documents came out doesn't mean old ones are invalidated

the main thing was Nostra Aetate 4

that doesn't rule out anything

It does excuse the Jewish people

At least partially

it just states that Catholics, despite the rocky history, are to respect Jews and that there is a spiritual link between the new and old covenant

not necessarily

let me re-read nostra aetate 4 one sec

also vatican ii happened in the early 60s, by the 70s Pope Paul VI was doing liturgical changes

Didn't the rewrite finally happen in the 1971

well what do you mean by rewrite? the novus ordo?