You guys should grow some balls and take over your government

We should, but we already have control.

@Milk you said you were Canadian?

Nope

We voted him in and the only person that can fire him was chosen by him, and the Queen won't step in because the UK would step in.

THE QUEEN LMAO

It's just that we choose to wait until the next election so we can vote against the Liberals and get the same problem.

The Queen has power here.

She can remove the Prime Minister if she chose to.

Did you move?

@Milk you’re an America nationalist right?

Just that if she tried to step in, British Parliament would try to further limit her powers.

@Deleted User No

Oh

I am one

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 any vote affecting the queen has to be approved by the queen

but there is a user with that exact name @Deleted User

and I'm not him

@Griselda I was quoting that dude, that's why there's "RIP" under it

Oh okay

I was confused

the right cafe

more like

the left cafe

:DD

Got em

I’m shaking in my seat

@frizzy

Oy vey

I got kicked out of Right Wing United for no reason.

That was weird.

libtard trolled epic style

@Doctor Anon u lied to me :((

u dont own this server D:

@frizzy who are u?

painu

know pain

feel pain

you cannot mature

without knowing pain

weeb

You must be ready to burn yourself in your own flame. How could you rise anew if you have not first become ashes?

you call me a weeb

that's better

because you are immature

you do not know pain

daddy ubermensch

i will never forget yahiko's pain

I know the pain of interacting with weebs.

Watashi wa anata ga watashi ni denwa shite iru monode wanai

this world is full of immatures.

and thus

it is my duty to come in

and make the world know pain

Koko yori, sekai ni itami o

الحمد لله لقدرة السمع

why did I have over 4k notifications

server raid

o

im just gonna click mark as read...

today was my second week of college classes this semester

it's been going well

الحمد لله لقدرة السمع

i used to be an arabic weeb

but then i repented

الحمد لله لقدرة السمع

and moved

الحمد لله على قدرة الرؤية

Hmmmm

dude

الحمد لله على قدرة الرؤية#

Literally any other position imaginable > Liberals

Look how pathetic she is. It’s disgusting. She cannot handle any form of criticism. Imagine how foul her upbringing was with parents who never punished her mistakes

look how pathetic you are

i hate entitled bitches

it's disgusting

you can't handle getting muted

21tagtmeiern

You are immature.

imagine how foul your upbringing was with parents who never slapped you for being an annoying little bitch

you need to have a taste of pain

to mature

sekaimi no tore wa

ah yes the person in this discussion who doesn't model himself off of an anime character needs to mature

I take issue with people misrepresenting philosophy, and @εïз irma εïз’s brainlet way of dealing with it is muting me

ur not wrong but also no u

she's a catholic so objective morality is a thing as far as she's concerned

i think

If you continue to act like a retard I will continue to treat you like a retard.

That's how you deal with children.

the only retarded child is you

You cannot handle criticism

You behave like a spoiled toddler

"i know u r but what am i"

Please stop wasting my time.

Not even the Thomists or St augustine described their arguments as “objective morality”

You literally have no idea what you are talking about

The utilitarian versus deontological argument has been raging since the time of Bentham with all sorts of thought experiments by Kantians and others

But you have utterly missed the point of what the deontologist are trying to achieve

@εïз irma εïз

You are wasting everyone’s time by misinforming them and not correcting your errors

And muting people who call you out on it so that you can preserve your fragile ego

hmm

as someone who pretends to be educated about philosophy a lot

despite having a pretty basic knowledge of it

you seem like you're pretending to be educated about philosophy

"look at me i know who bentham is"

just how it looks to me

Excuse me, cunt, I rarely have a chance to go into depth because people like you ad hominem or mute me before we can go into a serious discussion

oh i forgot to congratulate you

u made a statement that was relevant without an ad hominem in it

Not even the Thomists or St augustine described their arguments as “objective morality”

then you said "You literally have no idea what you are talking about"

but we're making progress

Someone has to call a spade a spade

She shows me no consideration of basic western academic etiquette

I do not owe it to her

She’s prancing around discord LARPing like she knows something about the world. And people like you and others in this server cannot, or choose not, to discern between a mediocrity dribbling shit into the general and someone who is ready to impart arduously acquired knowledge.

ah yes your famous etiquette

>calling people kids or and time wasters

boy what a fine way to argue

lets remove people from the argument because i think they are below me

and it's your fault i can't tell

actually

i think ur a "medicrity dribbling shit into the general"

shut

idk about her

the

fuck

up

It should be apparent to everyone that @εïз irma εïз’s knowledge is from Wikipedia and everything I say comes from over a decade of meticulous reading and a thorough knowledge of the history of ideas that you could never acquire in seven lifetimes

y

Self absorbed much?

thorough knowledge of the history of ideas?

that doesn't seem likely

You have no basis to judge someone considerably older than you who holds a PhD

look

you can judge anyone

PhD doesn't matter

either ur a troll who doesn't have a phd, ur delusional and u don't have a phd, or ur a really sad human being who likely has psychological issues

The words of an uppity mediocrity

those are the only three reasons why you would be on this server posting this shit

The ignoramuses come swooping down into the chat like a flock of pesky starlings pecking at anyone who insults their little princess, Irma.

u just deserve to be insulted

because ur life is fundamentally sad

that's all

also i am a human and as a human i am qualified to talk about being human

You are truly an example of chivalry. The stuff of medieval fables come to life on our screens in the digital age.

so i can judge you

Irma should bow to you with a deep curtsy and bestow you with a knighthood

lol there was an article in the newspaper of my high school's sister school where this girl ranted about how a guy holding the door open for a girl is chivalry and therefore sexist

that was funny

e

I’m just trying to point out that deontology doesn’t imply “objective morality” as Irma mistakenly conflated the two concepts

Catholic philosophers have long grappled with how to perfect a moral argument because it is impossible to make an objective claim to morality even whilst appealing to scripture

Yet here is she is going on about objective morality and betraying a fundamental lack of basis in the field of ethics

Yet she chooses to continue this pretentious LARP even when someone with a PhD tells her she’s flat out wrong

Someone with a PhD doesn't matter

I already told you this

''they have a PhD, therefore all their claims are correct''

doesn't make sense

Au contraire it does matter - and just because a mediocrity like you wants to make himself feel better for being utterly worthless, it does not change how the world-at-large regards people who invested time and money into acquiring expertise

Then you clearly have not acquired mastery in any field, milk

If you have brushed the brink of what it means to have mastery then you wouldn’t for one second challenge someone who has put so much effort into a particular aspect of knowledge or skills

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority

Tldr: you are lazy and mediocre and crippled by fundamental stupidity

That’s not what an appeal to authority fallacy is

This is often misunderstood along with the ad hominem because kids like you read a wikipage and think you can take on people who are just clearly better than you

Sorry, kid, there is a natural hierarchy and it enables me to piss on you from a great height

you must be trolling

Stating you have credentials doesn’t discredit the argument as fallacious. You would listen to a biologist on biology or a virologist if you want to learn more about the common cold on a microscopic level

I never said that

lmao

It’s when you say “x is true because Y said it” is when it becomes fallacious

Yes

Which I at no point stated

that's what I said

So you are either linking shit that is irrelevant to this conversation because you are absolutely fucking brain dead, or anyone with a better education triggers you and you are baiting in vain

''Au contraire it does matter - and just because a mediocrity like you wants to make himself feel better for being utterly worthless, it does not change how the world-at-large regards people who invested time and money into acquiring expertise
Then you clearly have not acquired mastery in any field, milk
If you have brushed the brink of what it means to have mastery then you wouldn’t for one second challenge someone who has put so much effort into a particular aspect of knowledge or skills'' you implied it here

you haven't provided any arguments, you've literally just been insulting people

“You would listen to a biologist on biology”

These are not fallacious statements

They are appeals to empiricism and academic standards which are the backbone of knowledge

I didn't say they were

Depends on what that biologist is saying about biology.

And I have given arguments and examples

where

when

Scroll up and read what I said about Thomism twice

If they don’t want to engage in my criticisms then I am not going to persist to debate with myself

You however should improve his reading comprehension and stop skimming through text before you make a fool of yourself again

Ah, your name changed again!

Looks as though somebody is trying to discredit you.

Now I suggest you step back before I make you eat the shit you tried to throw at me

you didn't provide an argument for why a PhD matters when it comes to someone judging you

Why?

you just said ''people think PhD good so PhD good''

''you dumb, me smart''

Because if you were to judge a doctor as a commoner then you would be judging your betters.

why

Why?

they can make mistakes

Yes.

But that's not judgment.

that's the reason I judge them

That's not judgment.

You should criticize.

Rather than saying, "You're wrong." You should just ask why they are correct.

And if they explain it, still being wrong, ask another question until they are unable to reply.

I didn't say that I assume they're wrong, I said I judge them because they can be wrong

Vex and his crew are raiding another server now

What pathetic creatures

They might be the only lifeforms lower than Irma

They didn't seem very sophisticated.

Heres the thing, i trust an expert on their field but actually less on general topics

That person studied something AT THE EXCLUSION of everything else for x number of years

I quoted Chesterson on that exact sentiment in this server not too long ago.

Naturally they will have missed a lot in doing so

"The trouble with the expert is never that he is not a man; it is always that wherever he is not an expert he is too much of an ordinary man. Wherever he is not exceptionally learned he is quite casually ignorant. This is the great fallacy in the case of what is called the impartiality of men of science. If scientific men had no idea beyond their scientific work it might be all very well — that is to say, all very well for everybody except them. But the truth is that, beyond their scientific ideas, they have not the absence of ideas but the presence of the most vulgar and sentimental ideas that happen to be common to their social clique. If a biologist had no views on art and morals it might be all very well. The truth is that the biologist has all the wrong views of art and morals that happen to be going about in the smart set of his time."

Yep, smart man.

Have you read Chesterson?

I've only gotten to Orthodoxy and William Blake.

Who is Chesterson

A Catholic novelist and author.

Ive been on a cs lewis kick for the last year or two but i just bought a complete set of his about a month ago

Was a part of a spiritual revival in the early 20th century.

Of chestersons, been meaning to get to it

Generally I'm not interested in whatever Chesterson writes about but he always articulates everything so that it's interesting anyways.

Like William Blake is a quasi-biography of William Blake, but he tangents in every direction.

what's his full name

G.K. Chesterton.

Real cutie.

Oh I know of him

was planning on reading The Innocence of Father Brown soon

/whenever I felt like it

I've steered clear of Father Brown.

But maybe it'll surprise me.

hahhahahahah she quotes Chesterton but hasn't read *The Man Who Was Thursday*

You are such a fucking meme

That's nice Otter.

and you have no taste because you cannot explore the compendium of human ingenuity for yourself.

It probably wounds your ego to know that I don't really care much about your opinion.

Considering how much time you waste with me.

I just want to make sure everyone understands you are a con-artist.

Hahaha you quote Chesterton but have you read *frantically Googles an important book of his* this book? You are the most pathetic pedantic preening pseudointellectual I have ever met in my life and I intend to spend minimal effort indulging your turboautism.

I do not believe that is Chesterton's most famous work, but it is his *best*.

Tbh