eb-1 and eb-2

we got raided

First time I've had 4k discord pings :}

what i'm advocating for is keeping low-skilled/family/diversity caps the same while raising high-skilled immigration

which is different

doesn't seem smart in the face of an aging crisis but i don't know much about low-skilled so i won't really get into the debate

what

how about do the opposite

outlawing birth control definitely violates privacy

^

so it just doesn't matter?

wow

also what rights does legal birth control violate specifically?

baby die is bad

yeah

>condoms affect the mind

either way i don't care cause personal freedom

depends the one I guess

i just don't see how birth control is the government's business

why not just make sure they dont before they are allowed to sell

@Deleted User do you have a source

Having sex for pleasure is degenerate change my mind

biology

hahahahahhaa

sex is a good source of pleasure

humans strive for pleasure

Sex's primary purpose is to procreate, secondary is pleasure

ok cool

have 3-4 kids

and have pleasure

as well

Ideal is 2 kids @Da_Fish

why though

3 shortens life span

3 kids is too much trust me on this one

Hi is this a religious server

2 is the optimal for maximum lifespan

Need 4 at least to save the west

@Deleted User Only Christians allowed

Cool

Im catholic

guess i'm getting kicked

@Deleted User prove it

>Catholics

cite a source

@Doctor Anon ?

come on who doesnt like catholics

@Deleted User are you v2 Catholic?

I'm a congregationalist puritan

um well

I dislike Catholics

not really

V2 Catholics are retarded and should be excommunicated

but im not a sede either

Im like in between

@Deleted User you can't excuse yourself from having to cite evidence

Catholics are full of degenerates

@Deleted User the pope is fallible

not all hormones automatically effect the mind

at least i'd need to see a source on that

The Catholic Church is in the great apostasy and no one should follow it

@Doctor Anon i agree

Become a Puritan Congregationalist

Sex for pleasure is degenerate... lol thats gonna be a hard sell mate.

correlation <:unequal:473954748517842954> causation

I was about to say how did we get from Birth control and horomones to depression?

i'm glad that happened cause i saw you use a huffpo source

which i find amusing

ik ik

i wasn't attacking the source

i just registered my amusement

I wanted 4 kids, I dont care if I lose a few years of lifespan

i just like having the source because it tends to be more nuanced than the person citing it

"Meanwhile birth control has been proven to affect the mind and the divorce rates have skyrocketed since it was introduced" I can agree more with the first part than the divorce rate part.

divorce rates I think will be affected by other major factors alongside birth control. But its easier to bail with no kids involved if thats the link.

ik it's just when it seems like bs and they don't have a source there's an inclination to dismiss the argument

even if it's a legit argument in actuality

I take into account sources

Are formal debates arranged here?

hah of course its not

its a conversation on a discord that can spring up on any topic at any time so you gotta give some slack

Nuclear family best family

Birth control big no no encourages degenerate behavior

but im just asking if such formal / serious debates can happen here, giving people time to prepare a case

Or if you want it legal, jack up the prices

@Omniconsumerproducts formal debates <#452955229227319306> or VC

Doctor, you talk nonsense. Lets say I work and have 4 kids, I cant afford 5, but now I gotta move to only anal because you have banned birth control

lol

If you can't afford another kid

Don't take the risk

Fucking degenerate

I mean there's always adoption

If you don't want a flat ban, then jack up the prices of birth control

Debate on libertarians and friends happening rn feel free to join

@crippling depression shut up shill

Pills as birth control I'd flat out ban

Dont take the risk? Im not letting you take away my sexual gratification without a better argument than its degenerate.

And Jack up prices of condoms

@Omniconsumerproducts I have to say the way you are approaching this debate is wrong. Because catholic dogma has never changed and it will always be the same, however you want to do things that are pleasurable even if it goes against catholic dogma and that means you are disobeying. Now I have no idea if you are catholic or not but doing things for pleasure can be very bad because that means you have no self control nor discipline.