you've so far been wholly unable to counter what I've presented. Your attempt to negate my criticism of Marx as disregarding other defitions of socialism for his own plays little effect into the actuality that his criticism merely evaluated the systems before him. He never successfully disregarded them as socialistic system whatsoever. As a result, it is foolish to treat Marx's definition of socialism as the only valid one.

Yo Voice in this server is dead

rip

O7

Yet another claim that you will fail to substantiate. Marx didn't think in such strict binary terms. He wrote about more than the bourgeoisie and proletariat. He knew very well that those weren't the only players in class society.

Inshallah

Marx accused Proudhon of wanting to rise above the bourgeoisie, for instance. I've so far substantiated everything. You merely refuse to accept reality. You deny the statements made by an actual party member of the CPUSA on the influence of Jews in the party, because it does not fit your narrative. It is documented very well. I gave you the exact page of the book that provides the evidence. You, by denying my evidence, attempt to claim that I have shown no evidence. That is illogical.

@Adoring Fan You're actually the one negating your own claims by failing to back them up with evidence. An unsubstantiated claim is of no worth whatsoever. And you're also straw-manning once again by claiming that I consider Marx's definition to be the only "valid" definition of socialism. I've never claimed that. It's not an argument I'm making, much less the crux of one.

you have, in practice, shown that you only accept Marx's socialism as valid socialism

This shit is pointless af lmao. I don't even follow because I typically only study the popular positions held in society, as they are ofc more relevant

How have I shown that? Are you EVER going to justify your claims with evidence?

But every statement yall make is like "I substantiate, you don't"

for instance, here you denied what is ultimately Chartian Socialism as being not real socialism

https://i.imgur.com/Ud9w8LF.png

Chartism falls under the confines of what you wrote

yet was, and still is, for all intents and purposes, considered socialism

@🦅 𝓔𝓪𝓰𝓵𝓮 𝓔𝔂𝓮 🦅 additionally this. Nobody in contemporary politics aside from Marxists consider Marx's definition of socialism as that which the old jew did

I don't trust your link, and I never claimed chartism wasn't a form of socialism. I would consider it utopian, but socialism nonetheless.

lmao

Honestly how are you guys still arguing

stamina

"It's over fruity pebbles, I have the moral high ground."

@Adoring Fan >old Jew
Nice pot-shot at one of the greatest minds to ever live. And your ignorant ass obviously hasn't read much of anything by Marx. If you did, you would know that he wrote very little about socialism. His theory is primarily descriptive, and entails a critique of the capitalist mode of production, not the ins-and-outs of what a communist society would look like or a definitive gameplan as to how one would reach such a society.

here you also asserted that socialism is the transition stage between communism and capitalism

https://i.imgur.com/lnIdDTw.png

shifting goal posts

literal sperging because i called your little ideologue a kike

lmao

and you say you hit a nerve with me?

ecks dee

It's obvious that I'm referring to the socialism which I am a proponent of. I didn't think I had to specify given the obvious fact that I am a socialist of the Marxian variety. The only shifter of goalposts here is you.

if you're too scared to click on my scary link proving you identify with exactly Marx's socialism, then I'm done, I need to go back to studying.

Once again you have displayed your masterly ability to not understand context.

you did not say "Marxist Socialism"

you did not say "what I believed to be socialism"

you said "socialism"

I don't have to specify because everyone can see what kind of socialist I am.

you need 2 b talking about my very specific brand of socialism for it to count

yes you do

when there are those who do not believe in any theory of socialism except for marx

if I call myself a socialist

i need to clarify i refer to national socialism

not marxist socialism

No, I don't. I don't have to do jack-shit in order to appease your petty ass.

ooohh

keep striking nerves there am I?

How childish can you be?

you going back to your childish rebellious years?

or are you still stuck in them?

lol fruity you look like a jack ass

I am a Marxist socialist. Everyone can see that. When I talk about socialism in the context you failed to understand, I am referring to the scientific socialism of Marx and Engels.

it is as though I say socialism will bring forth the rise of fascism. National socialism, sure, but not marxist socialism

context here matters too but to say I had no obligation to clarify is beyond reason

@Grugochet Stfu you dumb liberal. You're just mad that your lover is inconsistent in his reasoning

lmao back to the gayness

so much perversion for one boy to carry

lol

You're the only one that seems to have a problem with gayness. It must be dark in that closet of yours, sweetcheeks.

i love the rage posting my man

oof

you really hit him hard there

I bet he's sobbing in his closet right now

anyway, I'm off. It's obvious that there is no consensus to be reached between us, but the public has clearly seen how inconsistent in reasoning you are. You're an intellectually dishonest ideologue that prays on bullying tactics to attempt to appear to be the winner of a discussion. When not faced against the fat 6th grade libertarian in your middle school, you can't exactly fend well.

@Grugochet Not as hard as you'll be "hitting" him later.

OUCH

absolutely brutal

@Adoring Fan Literally just described yourself to a T. Bravo! LMFAO

ecks dee "no u!"

I have not resorted to insults for the sake of insults

Cognitive dissonance must suck.

fruity is clearly the intellectual superior here

You're so conceited that you actually believe your lies. You literally just insulted me you ignorant cuck.

**You're using homosexuality as an insult, thus you must see it as a bad thing, otherwise it wouldn't be an insult.**

**Lad.**

when I say you are intellectually dishonest it is because I have shown you are, such as with your denial of jewish elites sponsoring the communist revolt, or by denying an interview with a CPUSA member on the influence of jews in the party

@Scipio Who said it's an insult? For all you know, I'm flirting.

when you call anyone a homosexual it is because you attempt to be witty, it wears out quickly

So you were flirting? @Deleted User

and has absolutely no positive effect on the discussion

@Scipio You wanna violate more than the NAP later, big boy?

._.

Lad.

wow thats such an epic comeback

Oh wait, you prefer children. My mistake.

What..

Dumb ass libertardian.

Says the communist.

LIBERTARD

LOL XD

>Assuming Libertarian is anarchist

Shouldn't you be voluntarily enslaving people?

OMG SO EPIC

Libertarian Party is NOT Anarchist

What the fuck do you think Libertarianism is?

this is why literally everybody hates you

NAP is for losers

MAN LIBERTARIANS REKT

LIBERTARDIAN PWNED EPIC STYLE BY HIGH IQ COMMUNIST

I think libertarianism is fake and gay. That's what.

Seriously, what the FUCK is your definition of Libertarianism?