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2017-06-23 23:23:43 UTC

I'm pretty pragmatic but also like to think about an ideal government system

2017-06-23 23:23:54 UTC

god that makes me sound like a leftist nvm

2017-06-23 23:24:10 UTC

Political persuasions encompassing conservatism, reaction and right wing economics

2017-06-23 23:24:22 UTC

Heirarchy

2017-06-23 23:24:53 UTC

Since the dawn of civilization, we have been trying to find a successful political ideology, and it has yet to be found.... Pragmatism is the answer.

2017-06-23 23:25:12 UTC

or it doesnt exist

2017-06-23 23:25:13 UTC

Social stratification, nationalism, natural law and traditionalism, populism, anti marxism

2017-06-23 23:25:23 UTC

It's not one thing, it is many

2017-06-23 23:25:34 UTC

Stay true to your social convictions, but be pragmatic in regards to economics.

2017-06-23 23:25:48 UTC

@An Craoibhín Aoibhinn When a communist shits on the pancakes of a conservative, is the conservative bound to conserve the shit covered pancakes?

2017-06-23 23:26:13 UTC

Wow what a great question, really makes you think

2017-06-23 23:26:24 UTC

No shithead your neocons are not right wing

2017-06-23 23:26:28 UTC

They comes from the antistalinist left

2017-06-23 23:26:35 UTC

You should know this

2017-06-23 23:26:43 UTC

I believe all government systems relying on liberalism or democracy of any sort must have a society comprised of one race to be effective

2017-06-23 23:26:45 UTC

They are leftists who are religious

2017-06-23 23:26:52 UTC

The current "Right Wing" is whatever opposes socialism or social democracy (though not always completely). Generally under a conservative banner, it can go from anywhere between libertarianism, classical liberalism, authoritarianism (if you're into that.) and are oft referred to this day as either the new right or the alt-right.

2017-06-23 23:27:35 UTC

@D.iogenes the problem with that is that we're in a situation where that is now impossible, we have to work with what we've got since we can't ethically remove any of them

2017-06-23 23:27:43 UTC

Well

2017-06-23 23:27:47 UTC

ethics are subjective

2017-06-23 23:27:51 UTC

😉

2017-06-23 23:27:54 UTC

@D.iogenes A homogenous society at least.

2017-06-23 23:28:31 UTC

I'm an adherent to objective morality <:deusvult:317585515505385472>

2017-06-23 23:28:44 UTC

Morality and Ethos are different

2017-06-23 23:28:46 UTC

tbhfam

2017-06-23 23:29:05 UTC

Neoreactionary is the answer. Make privatize poltiical and social ideology, free from gov regulation. People are free to live in which society best suits their interests.

2017-06-23 23:29:22 UTC

That's not NRx, that's libertarianism

2017-06-23 23:29:24 UTC

idk if that's something debatable @D.iogenes i guess its an axiom

2017-06-23 23:29:31 UTC

The Problem with the US is that it needs to be made smaller

2017-06-23 23:29:34 UTC

I would have thought an NRx would consider that degenerate

2017-06-23 23:29:36 UTC

split into smaller nations

2017-06-23 23:29:41 UTC

the US is too big to govern

2017-06-23 23:29:45 UTC

and too "diverse"

2017-06-23 23:30:11 UTC

Coastal Elite rule the middle states with no politcal influence

2017-06-23 23:30:45 UTC

Imo a decentralized modified confederacy would work fine without splitting anything

2017-06-23 23:31:05 UTC

@D.iogenes " Coastal Elite rule the middle states with no politcal influence". That is geopolitics.

2017-06-23 23:31:13 UTC

Wow you're so smart

2017-06-23 23:31:19 UTC

the regions with people who dont care about freedom would only be able to fuck themselves up locally, and so everyone else would be unaffected

2017-06-23 23:31:22 UTC

No one knew what geopolitics was before you said that

2017-06-23 23:31:26 UTC

kek

2017-06-23 23:31:43 UTC

I like the idea of a confederacy

2017-06-23 23:31:57 UTC

I'm only for federalism within a totally homogeneous nation

2017-06-23 23:31:58 UTC

Like Ireland

2017-06-23 23:32:01 UTC

We have strayed from the Founders' vision for America

2017-06-23 23:32:07 UTC

It's small, and has very clear boundaries historically

2017-06-23 23:32:17 UTC

a confederacy would be more true to the founders than what we have now

2017-06-23 23:32:20 UTC

I like Jeffersonian Agrarianism, pity the Federalists won

2017-06-23 23:32:26 UTC

I'm still learning NRx. From what I understand, it's anti-democracy yet 100% freedom of association. Libertarianism is not 100% anti-democracy... Govm should be run as businesses, not as a corrupt political establishment.

2017-06-23 23:32:31 UTC

Being an island makes things easy

2017-06-23 23:32:40 UTC

tru

2017-06-23 23:32:44 UTC

Agrarianism doesn't work in a post-industrial society

2017-06-23 23:32:56 UTC

sadly

2017-06-23 23:32:57 UTC

Wrong

2017-06-23 23:33:02 UTC

Ireland is agrarian

2017-06-23 23:33:12 UTC

Ireland is a strange beast though

2017-06-23 23:33:13 UTC

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main." -- John Donne

2017-06-23 23:33:17 UTC

@An Craoibhín Aoibhinn Geopolitics doesn't care what label you give the economy. Geopolitics change very little over a long time.

2017-06-23 23:33:36 UTC

Ireland has low population density, barely any foreigners

2017-06-23 23:33:41 UTC

If it can be done here other countries can do it

2017-06-23 23:33:50 UTC

America would not be able to become agrarian unless there was some kind of widespread catastrophe

2017-06-23 23:33:55 UTC

america is another beast entirely

2017-06-23 23:33:57 UTC

Lower population doesn't matter unless you have foreigners coming in

2017-06-23 23:34:11 UTC

Because you've subsidised animal like breeding in cities

2017-06-23 23:34:21 UTC

Cut the money and it will naturally return

2017-06-23 23:34:22 UTC

Ireland has it pretty well b/c they have very low corporate taxes which means a ton of American companies use it as a corporate safe haven

2017-06-23 23:34:36 UTC

That's a meme, they don't pay any taxes

2017-06-23 23:34:44 UTC

The taxes they do pay are bribes

2017-06-23 23:34:52 UTC

potatoes AMIRIGHT

2017-06-23 23:34:53 UTC

^ Especially pharmaceutical companies

2017-06-23 23:34:56 UTC

Apple owes us 14 billion

2017-06-23 23:35:45 UTC

Apple owes China a couple thousand dead people

2017-06-23 23:35:49 UTC

or 5000 USD

2017-06-23 23:37:00 UTC

china is going to be a huge problem for the west in the long run, they'll be able to outproduce everything else due to lower safety/ethical regulations

2017-06-23 23:37:21 UTC

@An Craoibhín Aoibhinn can you PM on here?

2017-06-23 23:37:31 UTC

Yes

2017-06-23 23:37:51 UTC
2017-06-23 23:37:59 UTC

Why?

2017-06-23 23:38:08 UTC

China is about to go through a massive financial crisis with their unhealthy artificial GDP growth

2017-06-23 23:38:21 UTC

My nigger watches NTD

2017-06-23 23:38:41 UTC
2017-06-23 23:41:25 UTC

isn't NTD some chink news on the east coast

2017-06-23 23:41:41 UTC

idk all i watch is memri tv

2017-06-23 23:42:27 UTC

Yes

2017-06-23 23:42:33 UTC

I assumed you watched china uncensored

2017-06-23 23:42:37 UTC

Not many actually know about there

2017-06-23 23:44:18 UTC

China is going to financially collapse worse than anything we expect in the next Ten years

2017-06-23 23:44:32 UTC

@An Craoibhín Aoibhinn. China Uncensored used to be great. Really sucks now.

2017-06-23 23:44:49 UTC

They spend a trillion dollars a year on infrastructure where more than half of it is unused

2017-06-23 23:45:07 UTC

China needs a war. Too many males.

2017-06-23 23:45:14 UTC

hence the empty shopping malls and sports stadiums they have everywhere

2017-06-23 23:45:33 UTC

that and isnt the vast majority of the chinese poor too

2017-06-23 23:45:38 UTC

yes

2017-06-23 23:45:42 UTC

China wants parts of siberia. Russia is very suspicious of hina.

2017-06-23 23:45:56 UTC

resources, resources, resources

2017-06-23 23:46:40 UTC

The only major wars to be fought in the 21st century between "major" nations are over resources

2017-06-23 23:47:20 UTC

to be fair though in the 90's everyone thought there was going to be a world water war in the 2000's

2017-06-23 23:47:56 UTC

Some still believe that

2017-06-23 23:48:07 UTC

the 2000's already happened

2017-06-23 23:48:33 UTC

have you guys seen the leftypol server?

2017-06-23 23:48:51 UTC

Yes. I didn't raid or spam so I'm still there

2017-06-23 23:48:54 UTC

its a bunch of ancom just circlejerking in their general chat

2017-06-23 23:49:08 UTC

sounds like aids

2017-06-23 23:49:12 UTC

it is

2017-06-23 23:50:50 UTC

@D.iogenes Do you know much about the North arctic passage?

2017-06-23 23:51:24 UTC

Yeah i've heard

2017-06-23 23:51:38 UTC

Canada is just trying to exploit it for trade

2017-06-23 23:51:50 UTC

Do you think it will be a viable route in the near future?

2017-06-23 23:51:58 UTC

I think it will be yes

2017-06-23 23:52:08 UTC

thanks "global warming"

2017-06-23 23:52:36 UTC

Russia has massively invested in ice breakers.

2017-06-23 23:52:59 UTC

Ten years from now, that may be a focal point of war.

2017-06-23 23:53:09 UTC

Russia just needs to invest in trade infrastructure so they can export their trillions of dollars of raw resources they have

2017-06-23 23:53:32 UTC

>russia >infrastructure lul

2017-06-23 23:53:42 UTC

The icebreakers are essentially infrastructure.

2017-06-23 23:53:43 UTC

Trans-siberian railroad stronk

2017-06-23 23:55:02 UTC

Someday, there will be a highway from Siberia to Alaska. Its been in the planning stages for 100 years.

2017-06-23 23:55:33 UTC

Wars got in the way.

2017-06-23 23:55:53 UTC

yeah that big cold one

2017-06-23 23:56:18 UTC

Imagine if Russia was never communist

2017-06-23 23:56:30 UTC

It could have been one of the largest economies in the world

2017-06-23 23:56:38 UTC

Maybe larger than that of the US

2017-06-23 23:57:00 UTC

on the flip side it could have stayed as incompetent as before the world wars too

2017-06-23 23:57:07 UTC

when they got BTFO by japan

2017-06-23 23:57:31 UTC

Well it would have become some kind of right authoritarian government

2017-06-23 23:57:35 UTC

Imagine if Stalin wasnt a homicidal maniac. Even communist, russia could have been great.

2017-06-23 23:57:38 UTC

other than monarchism

2017-06-23 23:58:16 UTC

"even communist" thats the thing, its always spearheaded by a maniac, because only a maniac would do so. its a catch 22

2017-06-23 23:58:27 UTC

Right

2017-06-23 23:58:33 UTC

The thing about Russia is that collectivism and serfdom was so ingrained into their culture that I think Communism was the only thing that could have changed them positively

2017-06-23 23:58:58 UTC

eh they were and are fucked regardless

2017-06-23 23:59:20 UTC

thats what happens when a bunch of slavs are in the middle of an icey wasteland

2017-06-23 23:59:27 UTC

Imagine those serfs under the leadership of a racial monarchy.

2017-06-23 23:59:43 UTC

there would be no "racial"

2017-06-23 23:59:49 UTC

Well western Russia is hardly an icy wasteland

2017-06-24 00:00:01 UTC

at least 4 months of the year

2017-06-24 00:00:08 UTC

tru

2017-06-24 00:00:28 UTC

@Guan what do you mean " no racial"?

2017-06-24 00:00:32 UTC

They just can't utilize the warm months well because everything becomes a marsh

2017-06-24 00:00:35 UTC

lol

2017-06-24 00:00:42 UTC

why would a racial government be necessary

2017-06-24 00:00:49 UTC

They have a word for it

2017-06-24 00:00:59 UTC

Masirovka?

2017-06-24 00:01:13 UTC

its when all the soil becomes mud from the snow

2017-06-24 00:01:31 UTC

hence wasteland lol

2017-06-24 00:01:40 UTC

i mean its survivable

2017-06-24 00:01:46 UTC

it's no sub-sahara

2017-06-24 00:02:14 UTC

Rasputitsa is the word

2017-06-24 00:02:26 UTC

Masirovka means camoflauge

2017-06-24 00:02:29 UTC

The Romanovs were revolted by the serfs. If they had felt a racial kinship, then an ethnic based monarchy would have flouriahed.

2017-06-24 00:02:34 UTC

rasputin + tits i like it

2017-06-24 00:02:38 UTC

yeah

2017-06-24 00:02:59 UTC

Rasputitsa (Russian: распу́тица; IPA: [rɐsˈputʲɪtsə]) is a season when travel on unpaved roads becomes difficult, owing to muddy conditions, either from autumnal rains or spring thaw. It also refers to the condition of the roads, during those seasons

2017-06-24 00:03:09 UTC

imo @Manimalia idpol is a new concept that has no place in big boy government, but i know a lot of people would disagree

2017-06-24 00:03:20 UTC

so 4 months of the year is habitable

2017-06-24 00:03:26 UTC

yeah that sounds miserable

2017-06-24 00:03:34 UTC

spring and autumn are basically winter in Russia

2017-06-24 00:03:51 UTC

It makes defending Russia easy though

2017-06-24 00:04:07 UTC

Napoleon and Hitler both were repelled by it

2017-06-24 00:04:39 UTC

yeah the steppes are the only reason they haven't been destroyed, you just cant get past it

2017-06-24 00:04:48 UTC

but that's basically all they have, besides oil

2017-06-24 00:04:59 UTC

It's easier now though

2017-06-24 00:05:03 UTC

The Monarchy is to this day an ethnically based clan. They just didnt apply those principles to their subjects.

2017-06-24 00:05:04 UTC

They don't have buffer states

2017-06-24 00:05:20 UTC

oh yeah but no one is trying to invade them atm, everyone is afraid of war now

2017-06-24 00:05:44 UTC

yeah

2017-06-24 00:06:32 UTC

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

2017-06-24 00:06:54 UTC

and we are at the impotus of the hard times

2017-06-24 00:07:02 UTC

yes we are the weak men

2017-06-24 00:07:18 UTC

everyone of our ancestors was stronger than us now

2017-06-24 00:07:21 UTC

We are soft.

2017-06-24 00:07:52 UTC

Life is too good.

2017-06-24 00:08:24 UTC

There is going to be a second American Revolution

2017-06-24 00:08:40 UTC

against changing demographics or changing politics

2017-06-24 00:08:44 UTC

something will happen

2017-06-24 00:08:49 UTC

honestly i think it's too late for that

2017-06-24 00:09:00 UTC

We must welcome the destruction of western civilization, and prepare to make something better in its place.

2017-06-24 00:09:03 UTC

i think it's likely going to be a slow decline

2017-06-24 00:09:14 UTC

I'm not an accelerationist by any means

2017-06-24 00:09:19 UTC

just look at europe, no one will fight

2017-06-24 00:09:32 UTC

but the destruction of western civilization is almost necessary at this point

2017-06-24 00:09:48 UTC

Germany was infected by the East Germans.

2017-06-24 00:09:59 UTC

We should have took lessons from the Eastern World

2017-06-24 00:10:05 UTC

imo we should be laying the ground work for what we want to survive past the west, trump has done nothing but bought us precious time

2017-06-24 00:10:11 UTC

and how they treat demographics

2017-06-24 00:10:40 UTC

Sooner or later, a socialist will get into office

2017-06-24 00:10:49 UTC

a true socialist

2017-06-24 00:11:02 UTC

maybe, maybe not, all i know is that we are running out of time

2017-06-24 00:11:08 UTC

i give it untill 2030-40

2017-06-24 00:11:13 UTC

The big bad USSR is gone

2017-06-24 00:11:21 UTC

we don't fear it anymore

2017-06-24 00:11:29 UTC

@D.iogenes What do you mean by a socialist?

2017-06-24 00:11:29 UTC

it was a lesson unlearned

2017-06-24 00:11:35 UTC

a big bad is easy to fight, a thousand tiny grey areas is unstoppable

2017-06-24 00:12:00 UTC

I mean a socialist who is an actual self proclaimed socialist'

2017-06-24 00:12:10 UTC

not an "obama socialist"

2017-06-24 00:12:13 UTC

Too general a term.

2017-06-24 00:12:21 UTC

cough *bernie if he wasnt a pansy that cant admit it* cough

2017-06-24 00:12:36 UTC

Bernie I speculate was a communist at one point

2017-06-24 00:12:41 UTC

but he watered down his views

2017-06-24 00:12:49 UTC

to make it digestible

2017-06-24 00:12:52 UTC

Bernies a jew. Period.

2017-06-24 00:13:01 UTC

in my estimation a communist in practice is a socialist, not much difference

2017-06-24 00:13:07 UTC

he is obviously a social marxist

2017-06-24 00:13:17 UTC

he said white people don't know true poverty

2017-06-24 00:13:30 UTC

yeah he's a useful idiot for the progressive leviathon

2017-06-24 00:13:34 UTC

as if minorities are the only poor people

2017-06-24 00:13:54 UTC

minorities are the only poor people who shoot eachother

2017-06-24 00:14:28 UTC

Hunger, thirst, and pain are the greatest motivational factors.

2017-06-24 00:14:29 UTC

tfw they kill people "because they are poor"

2017-06-24 00:14:56 UTC

Poor is associated with those three.

2017-06-24 00:15:07 UTC

explain OJ

2017-06-24 00:15:09 UTC

simpson

2017-06-24 00:15:12 UTC

xdddd

2017-06-24 00:15:38 UTC

explain the appalachians (idfk if thats the correct spelling)

2017-06-24 00:16:04 UTC

Appalachians are some of the most peaceful people in the US

2017-06-24 00:16:10 UTC

Poverty in the usa is bullshit. Its a state of mind.

2017-06-24 00:16:26 UTC

It's because blacks and their culture are inherently more violent

2017-06-24 00:16:51 UTC

There is a reason Indians and Chinese people aren't massacring each other like they are in Africa

2017-06-24 00:16:52 UTC

gang culture is raping them

2017-06-24 00:17:00 UTC

and its Genetics and culture

2017-06-24 00:17:33 UTC

perhaps, imo culture is a bigger influence at least in US but culture has de facto racial lines

2017-06-24 00:17:57 UTC

Gang violence accounts for 80% of gun deaths

2017-06-24 00:18:12 UTC

I forget how much it accounts for in total murders

2017-06-24 00:18:23 UTC

its most of them i know that

2017-06-24 00:19:08 UTC

@Guan @D.iogenes Can we agree that ethnics are vitally important for a society?

2017-06-24 00:19:19 UTC

Ethics?

2017-06-24 00:19:19 UTC

to what extent

2017-06-24 00:19:34 UTC

Ethnics. Vitally.

2017-06-24 00:19:43 UTC

Do you mean like

2017-06-24 00:19:48 UTC

Ethnic demographics?

2017-06-24 00:19:58 UTC

Yes.

2017-06-24 00:20:18 UTC

I would say that it is highly context-dependent

2017-06-24 00:20:19 UTC

Yes it is important

2017-06-24 00:20:37 UTC

I believe the only way libertarianism can work is a one-race society

2017-06-24 00:21:04 UTC

or at least a similar iq/behavior mix

2017-06-24 00:21:15 UTC

I dont care what label you give the society or economy, a homogenous society will flourish.

2017-06-24 00:21:19 UTC

yes

2017-06-24 00:21:22 UTC

it always does

2017-06-24 00:21:23 UTC

and you need a monoculture, multiculturalism is a myth

2017-06-24 00:21:30 UTC

of course

2017-06-24 00:21:53 UTC

multiculturalism is just monocultures living separate from each other in the same society

2017-06-24 00:21:58 UTC

India is multicultural. And its practically a failed state.

2017-06-24 00:22:10 UTC

India was also a colony though

2017-06-24 00:22:20 UTC

it has lots of hurdles to jump

2017-06-24 00:22:26 UTC

homogeneity is a benefit to a flourishing society, not a guarentee. you can have a shitty country with one ethnicity

2017-06-24 00:22:57 UTC

The English brought law, order, and borders to a confused masss of tribes.

2017-06-24 00:23:13 UTC

take most african countries, islamic countries, china for example

2017-06-24 00:24:08 UTC

China is the only strong society of that list.

2017-06-24 00:24:32 UTC

i dont mean strong, i mean good as in virtuous, fully functioning

2017-06-24 00:25:24 UTC

If the one ethnicity is shit

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