i webcammed a demon fighting with angels before, i couldnt see it with my physical eyes, only on the webcam feed.

Webcams are physical

my eyes couldnt detect it though

Thus those things you saw are physical. Uhhhhh yeah, Humans only see part of the electromagnetic spectrum

Bats see sound, for instance

a being of light manifested to me while i was praying, i could only see in in my minds eye. i became overwhelmed with emotions when i saw it.

i have some supernatural experiences

its good that were talking\

You already claimed you saw it with your friends and regular eyes just before

im describing different experiences

Yeah for sure

Bats don't see sound. They can just use sound to calculate distance

Your experiences would indicate they're the same

Spririt and matter that iw

i didnt share the full story of my experiences, only small parts from a few experiences ive had

You claimed you saw something in your mind's eye

Your mind is physical

on 1 of my experiences, yes, only my minds eye detected the light being

Right we would otherwise call this imagination

I can see all sorts of things in my mind's eye

i imagined to be overwhelmed with emotion and terrified

pure imagination lol

Yes.

That's how fear works.

It's your mind

you can keep trying to explain the spritual with physicality, i dont think tll work, but i dont know everything

Actually

You are explaining the spiritual with the physical

You're using words like "light," or "mind."

These are physical things

i speak in physical terms because we experience the physical realm

One thing I know for sure is that the real world is also spiritual.

Yes. Your experiences are in the physical realm. They're physical.

They intermix and intermingle.

the spirit beings can manifest in the physical realms sometimes

usually they take the form of thoughts

So they're imaginary?

Thoughts are spiritual

tooth do thoughts have a weight?

No

they are spiritual things not physical with mass and all that

thoughts are manifestation of the spirutual presence of god

Then isn't every idea also spiritual?

Yes

spirit thought, very nice thinking outside the box, you get 10 points =]

It's not spirit thought

He's just claiming thought is spirit

Well you could say thoughts are physical

But yeah if you're just doing mind/body split sure.

Since they are just brain signals

some thoughts are normal, developed from our person, but some thoughts are fake, from spirits

What if spirits are fake thoughts?

And the distinction isn't real?

Good point tooth

discernment is required to differentiate between fake thoughts and real thoughts

let me think on that one

If I think about something that doesn't exist is that a fake or a real thought

Real thought on a fake thing

1 John 2:27 is very helpful

There's no such thing. All thought is real because it's being thought

^

instead of a faKE THOUGHT, I WILL CALL IT A SYNTHETIC THOUGHT

HAPPY?

caps l;ock

Synthetic as in

sry

Fictional

Like Lord of the Rings?

Or Superman

there is synthetic drugs

and real drugs

both seem real

They both are real as they exist

No, that's is a different definition of synthetic

thats the definition i use describing synthetic thoughts, they seem real

Because they are real mate

Thought is by definition that which is being thought of

if an idea being manifesting as the idea to steal sees a person who has never stolen and lets say theyre old. The idea being attaches to the old person and convinces them that the idea to steal is a natural thought

So you do not distinguish between the idea and the physical?

An "Idea Being" would be an apt description of what we are; both containing thought and matter

What you described could involve me telling an old dude to steal

Right, invisable being kind of whisper ideas to ppl or even inject the thought into them

Creepy

What if I told you that that is your unconscious mind

And what you're supposing is you have thoughts from a part of your mind you aren't aware of

And that everything we have discussed is perfectly within the realm of the material and science

you have the right to think that, im just trying to help you grow, because i love you

No I mean I don't think that because I disagree with the premises

I'm describing what you think

this argument is conical

What you have supposed has not stepped outside of psychology.

circular reasoning going down and down and down

like a funnel

the spirit realm is the original realm, it doesnt get anymore basic

The spirit realm is a "fake thought"

Otherwise known as fiction

thats not what i suggested

spirits exist in the spirit realm, some spirits manifest in the physical realm as fake thoughts

Yes I am further suggesting spirit is just a fake thought

we are living souls with physical bodies and spiritual bodies

Yes, but all of your accounts of Spirit have been physical thus far

because im talking in the physical

you wouldnt understand spiritual things

Neither would you

None of us would

It's called nonsense for a reason

ive been in the spirit world, experience it

you havent so u deny it

If you've been in it & experienced it it thus becomes physical

i was in the spiritual body, not my physical body

No such thing mate

What you take to be a spiritual body is your imagination

i saw my physical body on the ground, dead

You imagined that

no i was killed

i was in the spirit

Uh no

What happened was that your thoughts ceased to the degree that you became incapable of rendering identity

That's called NDE

You were experiencing the physical without the layer of "thought," you normally experience.

you would think nde, unless you were aware of me being injected with a drug to shutdown all electrical pulses in my body

Funny you say that

Drugs can produce the same results as NDE

you try to explain the spiritual things with physical thing, because you think u understand the physical things

Like Ayahuasca

Nah mate

What happened was that you experienced a state of midn in which you didn't conceive of the self

Which is why you saw a body you thought must have been your's

But didn't quite feel that way

dont they call that ego debt

They do

It's perfectly explainable phenomena in psychology

ayuasca literally kills the body

Yes . . . NDEs are the memories of your last moments before death.

That's why there's near-death and death

theres not such thing as nde, theres dead or not dead

what are you talking about

You're just saying that because you're trying to justify this spirit shite brah

so are we dead when we are asleep

no im saying that because nde describes being alive

near death

no

it describes feeling like you are dying

experiencing dissociation from the physical

Yes, your mind ceases to be when you are "dying."

The pscyhology that compels us to eat

breathe, sleep, breed

Love and be afraid

Ceases to function

It's not spirit, it's ceasing to be; death and dying.

you talk to me like i have no idea lol

You claimed there's no such thing as NDE

I am describing NDE

im 30 brah, im still a kid though, right?

i gotta learn more

You think like one

cause u know how i think

Your supposition was what if a drug shut down all your brain functions; I supposed that if you came back to living, you would have memories of that NDE.

You then suggested NDE doesn't exist

When I described it, you got angry at me for patronizing you

the only one you can know how thinks is yourself

a drug was injected =into me specifically to stop electrics in my brain, it wasnt a what if thing

what drug

tell us the drug

a paramedic drug, idk

Yes, what happened was NDE because your brain thought you were dying mate. That's why NDE is a thing.

Under what context were you given this drug

i was hit by a car and i bounced my head off a brick wall at 50 mph

I'm sorry that happened to you

Yeah neither of us are happy that happened

I think we all regret that that happened

im happy it happened, dont be sad

im alive again

Fair enough, but that's why I'm suggesting this experience

Was a natural one

And that that it isn't some freak accident with a spirit-being. It was you and you, that's it.

Wouldn't it be more beautiful to believe that your love for everyone came from within yourself?

do you think its coincident that i asked Jesus for my life back, saw tears in his eyes and came back to earth?

Not a coincidence at all.

You saw what you needed to see.

It might have been GOD but it certainly wasn't the spirit of christ.

i try to help people see life better, im probably not qualified to do that, but i want to help

And that beautiful motivation comes from your own love, not from spirits.

And probably a little bit from GOD

More importantly, Jesus isn't a Spirit. He was a man.

the life i live now, iis for Jesus

If God wanted you to die, you would have. That's why you had the NDE.

What you saw was your own faith

That's the most Christian thing of all.

im a jail cleric

if youre interested in knowing

You agree that we all walk in the Spirit of the Lord, don't you?

only you can choose how to walk

we are all servants

That's what I mean. That serving-spirit, what you call the spirit, what the Christians call the Spirit of the Lord—it's emotions. It's the Human mind. The reason it seems so deep and so real is because it is.

you can serve sin which leads to death, or you can serve righteousness which leads to eternal life

We seem to be in agreement. My point is: there's no spirit-realm. We are the things that have Spirit. Spirit is another word of antiquated times to describe the things that are what's left of us just before we're gone.

It's different language, that's all. This is our way of describing it.

the spirit realm exists, but theres not much to profit in debating it, Jesus wins.

You don't seem to understand that these ideas of the spirit realm aren't Christian, they're Pagan.

Jesus & God never described another realm save for that of Heaven & Hell

the devil wants to take the truth and twist it

That's what these ideas of spirit-realms are mate

clearly youre not too familiar with the bible, i'd like to be more familiar with iti myself

I've read the entire thing.

but the bible indeed talks about a different realm of existance

Of Heaven & Hell, yes

you can read the bible 500 times and not know the biblle

Mate

The Church condemns ideas of witch-craft & spirit as heretical

There is no canonical interpretation of the Bible of any Church—Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox—that endorses ideas of these natures.

There's one world, it's the world God made.

have you ever read the Wycliffe version? its my favorite

Wycliffe never supposed these ideas you have though

i dont get my information from wycliffe

Where do you get it

1 John 2:27

Just the one verse?

What does this have to do with Spirits?

The anointing is a spirit thing

No, it's not.

lol

you have a while to learn still =]

The Spirit isn't even mentioned in John

who do you think the comforter is?

Brah

The Holy Ghost

nice answer

You are aware the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit

Isn't an actual Ghost

It's God's love for His children

It's the Spirit of the Lord

That's why the Kingdom of Heaven is within all of us

sounds like youre on the right path

keep asking questions

"That's what I mean. That serving-spirit, what you call the spirit, what the Christians call the Spirit of the Lord—it's emotions. It's the Human mind. The reason it seems so deep and so real is because it is."

It's a physical part of us

That's how God crafted the Human mind

Science & Pscyhology are the works of God, they're not anti-thetical. They're the same.

be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger

Well I think we've found some common ground

I have papers to work on friend, it was nice chatting.

if your an athiest who lives a good life do you go to hell or heaven ?

the Church says you go to a place called limbo

it's neither heaven, nor hell

which church :3

_the_ Church

the Catholic Church

oh the one with little timmy in the cellar (sorry )

if you are an athiest are are good, you die and decompose