anyway if you take something and spin it it becomes stretched right?

the centrifugal force stretches it slightly.

sir you cannot know if the centrifugal forces stretch it slightly because your senses may be unreliable

If it had water on it and you spun something fast enough to stretch it, the water flys off.

that's a liquid

sir you cannot know if the water flys off because your senses may be unreliable

if you get a mushy sphere, fix it to something that spins it from the middle, and make sure it dosent fall off, it will stretch and flatten at it's poles, try it.

So you're saying earth is spinning fast enough and long enough to stretch rock?

yes. it's alledgly spinning at 1000mph and it's been spinning for billions of years alledgy.

How does the water stay?

gravity

gravitons

electromagnetic forces

Gravitons is a joke

yeah probably

gravity pushes it down to the earths core

but gravity is shown on any other body in space.

No

Gravity is a law within a theory

@CanWab gravity is a very small pull force.

@nef gravity is not a push or a pull. Its considered the warping of space time and the attraction of two objects

it's probably the weakest force ever.

yes a pull force.

that's what a pull force is

Alright, @nef has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

it pulls stuff

No its not a pull force

why does it pull?

It doesn't

why do we orbit?

Prove it.

prove stuff orbits?

We dont orbit anything

prove it

oh yeah I forgot flat earth has it all above earth itself

sir as a flat earther it is your burden to provide evidence the earth is flat

Go outside and look

why is every other planet we view round btw

sir , i already told you that i reject observations because the senses may be unreliable

Logical fallacy. Assuming the consequence

wait what does the bottom of the earth look like if its flat?\

Saying something is round then saying that means another thing is round is illogical

why would earth be flat but nothing else be?

sir you are assuming the consequence when you assume your senses are reliable. please do not commit the fallacies you accuse others of committing

@CanWab no one knows. They have only drilled down 12 km

FECORE Laser Level Experiments https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bV8hCkvT7gRFkoR6J0AY1mDwYfQR7PAg/view

other flat earhters say it's water.

Not senses

Measurements

um without your senses we wouldent be able to prove anything

sir i reject the evidence in your link because the senses may be unreliable

senses are the only reason we can take measurments

!mute @EliteGamer

EliteGamer#0106 (457781352234876930) is now muted for '**Unspecified.**', alright? <:THUMBSUP6:403560443345371137>

Persistent debate trolls. Go somewhere else to argue. Im not here to have an endless debate.

Im willing to answer one question at a time but im not going to.be patronized or mocked nor will i entertain persistant debate here is what i think trolls.

luckily im not patronizing or mocking you

Never said you were

The other person was

me?

not sure who that was directed to so I just said regardless

anyway I'm gonna go play some war thunder you had some pretty good points @Citizen Z peace

Later

So this video is a ship sailing off into the horizon, you can see it doesn't fade off into the distance, it slowly sinks into the distance until you can only see the mast. When it sinks it's going along the Curvature of the earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Akip2Ev_N8

@CanWab who said anything about fading

When the angular resolution limits of the eye or lens are reached, the light is no longer resolvable

This is how angular resolution works physically in the eye.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459802853524111361/1_EN.png
Cameras work the same way.
The cones of the retina is a zoom in of the eye. If the angular size of the target is not enough to activate more than a single cones/sensor the object is unresolvable.
There are 3 ways to decrease angular separation.
1. Move the two separate targets further or closer together.
2.Increase the distance.
3. Change the angle of view.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459805458644074511/angseperation.jpg

First here is a demonstration of how angle of view changes the angular separation of 2 targets. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459806914331541504/unknown.png

For example in this image, as the stop sign's angular size shrinks from distance or angle, the image that prjected onto the retina also shrinks. Eventually it will reach such as small size the eye can not physically detect the light. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459808085436006410/refraction_cornea.png
A geometric analogy would be closing a pair of scissors. When the scissor tips are closer together than the spacing between the rods and cones of the eye then you get to see the target. The point where the tips cross from too close to normal vision is the angular resolution.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459817803038326784/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png
When the angle of view becomes to much it pretty much goes parallel, but you lose sight of the ground before that. It's the same on the globe too but even worse because the angle of view is increasing quicker because of the curving away of the ball surface.

These next images show someone how the angle stays the same but the area that you are actually observing increases. You can see the 5th image how the bottom of a building would disappear.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459819761644077057/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813762132869126/ang1.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813783464968206/ang2.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813767576813578/ang4.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459813769548267542/ang5.png

Angular Resolution https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052120495095818/Angular_Resolution_01_v001.webp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052123091632138/Angular_Resolution_02_v001.webp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052121896124436/Angular_Resolution_03_v002_1.webp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052121065783297/Angular_Resolution_04_v002.webp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459052122537721856/Angular_Resolution_05_v004.webp

https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/Qegqk1jSNEE

https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/fzjPdL8H7FX

https://plus.google.com/116502556172406985386/posts/4D6qoxFBSEy

The cone does reverse inside the eye.
Light is projected on to the retina. We don't see things directly.
It goes through the lens is projected and inverted. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/466469361562026015/kan_ch26_f001.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/466469513500688384/retinaimage.png Those images are right for a single point of light. This is part of another misconception. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468563187713835020/unknown.png This illustrate how we would see a SINGLE point of light. Say a single photon reflecting off the molecule of a wall
Take notice how it emanates in a sphere. Now what we see is the light reflecting from EVERY molecule spherical , and traveling out. The important thing is this. The airy disks I started with.
That is what EACH point is.
Trillions (probably more) of points of light. We don't see each point. We can only differentiate points to the angular resolution limit.
So a trillion points in a 4 ft space at 3 miles looks like a point. Think of the horizon as a bunch of points of light, and not as a building , a boat or mountain.
Then equate an entire object to a point of light. As far as the angle goes. The angular size on an object has the same angular size when projected onto the retina.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468565104326082575/unknown.png All those angles between features of objects in the room are identical to the angles of the corresponding projected image of that room. (projected onto the retina)
So something that is 10 ft in real life and has an angular size of 3 degrees. When projected to the retina it's angle is still 3 degrees but it's actual size is .5 mm
projected to the retina.
So knowing that angular size decrease with distance. When I get far enough away from that something and it's angular size shrinks outside AND inside my eye. Eventually the angle being projected on to the retina is too small for the cells and photoreceptors to form an image from. You have to think of it like this. Whatever we see or photograph whatever is being captured by the lens is being projected to the retina. Only it is a physically tiny version of what you are seeing. So if a building is "trillions" of points of light...each point of light on that building will come to the eye at a different angle. The bottom angles will be unresolvable before the top angles because they close sooner in the back of the eye or camera. The angle is tilted away more. Think of rotating a piece of paper. You hold the paper in front.
Rotate the top away until the sheet is parallel.
and you are looking down the edge.
Now imagine you put a circle on top and bottom of the sheet and did it all over again.
Before the tilting of the angle the spots would appear a good distance away from each other. But as you rotate the paper those 2 circles will appear to be close.
The top of a building is not rotated as much from the plane of the retina compared the the bottom at equal distances.

Look , these are the same distances. Obviously the angles are not the same. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468569265574903818/unknown.png I can make it even more extreme... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468569771735253012/unknown.png But guess what....the top of the building will get cut off. When the entire situation is reverse.
Image looking up with your chest up to the world trade center. You wouldn't see the top because the angle would be too shallow. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468570710344728576/unknown.png Look what happens when you are closer to the vertical than the horizontal, the reverse. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468570964817608715/unknown.png Here are some questions you can ask yourself. Where is the plane of the eye? What is the relative angle between the surface of target and the plane of the eye? Give that angle , what is the angular separation of the points of light on that target? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468574743637786645/unknown.png The relative angle to the plane of the eye and the optical tilt of the target determine the angular separation
If I rotate the green block until it is vertical all the angle will grow. If I rotate it counter clockwise all the angles will shrink. If It was more to scale the angle difference would be more dramatic. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468578052302176266/IMG_3195_one_world_trade_center_nyc2015_aagdolla-1038x576.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468578348789006336/502382332.jpg Now imagine the building is 3 miles tall and not 1776ft.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468578739572441119/look-down-the-hallway.jpg So here is what happens being closer to one wall than the other. That shows the slant/tilt. Left wall angle is steeper than right wall, relative to the observer. This photo looking upward is a good example also. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468579766983720980/OrganicMechanics101.JPG

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How angular resolution works:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/459818062858682368/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye.png

The further an object (i.e. boat, building mountain) gets away from the lens, the angular separation will continue to close until the light blurs together and eventually becomes a line or point or edge"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468546464780386306/Airy_disk_spacing_near_Rayleigh_criterion.png

"As he looks downward toward his feet the slant approaches zero, as he looks upward the slant increases, as the center of clear vision approaches the horizon the slant becomes maximal, and at the horizon itself the land ceases to be a surface and becomes an edge"
https://zdoc.site/gibson-1952-the-perceived-slant-of-visual-surfaces-citeseerx.html

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/461973747197411339/Screenshot_20180628-121601_Drive.jpg

As you look down the right side of the hallway, you'll see the angular separation of light begins to close the further you look. Then looking at the left side of the hallway you'll notice the angular separation of light does not close or blur as quickly as the right side.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379214321907007488/468578739572441119/look-down-the-hallway.jpg

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Here are some questions you can ask yourself. Where is the plane of the eye? What is the relative angle between the surface of target and the plane of the eye? Given that angle , what is the angular separation of the points of light on that target?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419246750260264960/470518575698935808/unknown-65.png

Notice the blue cones angle compared to the orange cone. The blue cones angle will lose the light first on the bottom and the ground will start to blur with the object but if you raise in height the resolution will increase shown with the orange cone because the angle of light hitting the retina or camera is made larger. Once the angle becomes too shallow the light turns into a line or Edge. Think of buildings or boats or mountains not as objects but as quadrillions of points of light or photons coming to your retina at different angles and some will become non-resolvable before others. The ones closest to you disappear first as you back away. You will see the ground running up to the horizon then see the horizon as a line and will see things like the sky still or if there's a mountain or building you will still see the top parts but eventually those will also become unresolvable as they get further away and the angle changes.

https://youtu.be/vSAlVua7T4g

wait @Citizen Z citizen are u a flat earther or a round?

and btw I said something about fading into the distance

im bringing up a topic lol

Which isn't what is happening

Its just visibility

watch the video

Like viewing a mountain

From far away

Sometimes they look blue

what mountain is blue?

Yes watch the video

If you view a mountain from far away they will start to blend with the sky

and?

Blue light is scattering out the light between you and the mountain

and how does that prove that the earth is flat?

It doesnt

It just proves you cant see infinite

Due to visibility

oh my other point

You were saying they were fading

Im saying thats because of visibility

Nothing more

Me: the thing im confused about is if the earth is flat wouldnt all the water leak off the edge?
you: who told you there is an edge?
me: so ur saying that earth is infinite?
you: who told you the earth had an edge or it is infinite?

Here are some questions you can ask yourself. Where is the plane of the eye? What is the relative angle between the surface of target and the plane of the eye? Given that angle , what is the angular separation of the points of light on that target.