like I said

Exactly

doing those things aren't going to stop you from getting the iron lung

proper sanitation was the biggest factor in the slow down of many diseases

Yeah

It helps

death probably was the biggest factor

a lot

mp

But it doesn’t cure it

no

to teith

sanitation was probably like the 2nd biggest factor

also notice how they didn't completely go away until the vaccine came out?

sanitation is the biggest reason why things like cholera and typhoid fever stopped becoming as serious as they were

typhoid fever

let me think rq

What are the negative effects of a vaccine anyway?

that is what the graphs are showing and what Z is argueing

we have no vaccine for it

and guess what

there are **still** cases of it

tjat sanitation and proper hygeine are good enough to stop the diease

dont eat poop

deal?

there are still cases of every single disease we havea vaccine for except smallpox

What are the negative effects of a vaccine?

yeah

lets talk about that

i have a list longer than the optics list

Aaaaanndddddd

you wont read it

Lord no

whats the point

we still have typhoid fever, and until enough people die, we're gong to keep having it

Sanitation revolution is probably the most important thing humans have done

you guys are not willing to put in the effort

stop complaining about it

What are the negative effects

Tell me

what are the negative effects of a vaccine

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458243679551750145/541586737952980992/VAXX_vs_UNVAXX.PNG

@Citizen Z i think we should just stop talking to teith since he clearly isnt here for an actual debte

ok so

vaccines don't cause autism first of all

never said they do

you did

But autism is genetic tho.

there is evidence its possible the chances increase with vaccinations

And what’s wrong with autism?

i find that kinda offensive

BUT ITS GENETIC

Alright, @Engineer has been warned for '**Capital letters**'.

Oof

it isn't possible

for vaccines to cause autism

not proof but a cause and effect correlation

that isn't the reason

it's a genetic thing

vaccines don't effect your genetics

ok. you are still parroting

says you.

It is genetic, disprove this please.

says gubberment.

you're parroting literally every anti-vaxxer ever

actually.

the CDC admits it does

Show us proof

show us proof

you never did a lick of researcfh in your life and debating you is like debating a trained monkey

besides you would prefer your child to get polio than to have the autism?

Brb

would you vaccinate your child for polio

No

The government has nothing to do with peer review

oh my christ

that's awful

Several independant sources study autism and find each time that it runs in the family, or is genetic

And theyre independant from the government

so you would rather your child have the iron lung

then them having autism

the iron lung wasnt that common even for people with pilio

still

you would rather your child have polio

then them having autism

No

so then vaccinate your children

I dont believe the risk is worth the reward

you would rather your kid die

There is a difference

then them have autism

that's really offensive dude

No

i mean, i techincally have autism, but 🤷 cant really tell

that's actually really offensive

I dont believe the vaccines are effective

https://nworeport.me/2019/01/01/cdc-statistically-strong-relationship-exists-between-mmr-autism/?fbclid=IwAR17M2xM2xUSpAI8GJqLa9-CI5LWnrIroncHgqQA1YOwrcQgEQ9Uzp8Ur3Y

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