Lets do a thought experiment

ok so?

Fact is; you need gravity for a globe earth to work. You can't just ignore gravity and say globe earth works because of this.

You're not advancing your point, I'm saying gravity is not the only characteristic of GE, you're saying ok but disproving gravity makes GE not work. No, it doesn't since GE has other characteristics. Since GE has other characteristics, wtv replaces gravity will still make things stick to the globe.

Lets say you get undeniable proof that the earth is a globe, but also that gravity is fake. Does that really prove it cant be a globe? No it says gravity isnt the force keeping us down

Yes, because water seeks its level and if gravity didn't exist then how do oceans hold themselves together? Gravity is needed for globe earth work.

If you have a red wall and you paint it blue, did you change the shape of the wall? No, you just changed the colour.
If you have a ball and have this thing called gravity that makes things stick to it, and you change it to this thing called "not gravity", did you change the shape of the ball? no, you just changed the reason why things stick to it

The fact is that force could still be 4th dimensional alien waves or some other crap like that and still be a globe

Again, you're assuming gravity already exists @Akhanyatin

No we really arent

No, I just said replace gravity by "not gravity"

You're assuming water already sticks to a sphere and '' we would find out it if it's not gravity ''

Well the fact that water sticks to earth and the fact that through many other proofs, we know that the earth is a globe, kinda proves that water sticks to a sphere

@the21cat If you can't prove it then your whole model falls apart. You need gravity for globe earth to exist

No if we get undeniable proof that its a globe its still a globe

@Akhanyatin >we know that the earth is a globe, kinda proves that water sticks to a sphere
No you don't. You're assuming earth is a sphere therefore gravity exists which is false.

Your whole argument is that: earth is a sphere therefore gravity exists which is false. False conclusion

The force that makes thr water stick could literally be any h*cking thing elselse

WE KNOW earth is a sphere, there are many different ways to prove it.
We know water falls to earth. We explained that with gravity, but even if it were explained by "not gravity", it would still not change the fact that we know the earth is a globe

@rivenator12113 youre not paying attention

Again, you're just painting the globe with a different colour

>WE KNOW earth is a sphere, there are many different ways to prove it.
Gravity is still needed for it to work. What's so hard about that? Water doesn't stick to a sphere, you need gravity to hold oceans together.

No ITS NOT

Why isn't it? If you have undeniable proof for a sphere earth then you should have also undeniable proof for gravity.

Its the most explainable. But it could be anything else theoretically

I think we hit a wall here......
We know earth is a globe, we have observed it.
We also have observed that things under the globe don't fall off the globe. Now, through scientific process, we have determined that there must be something acting on these things that are "under" the globe. And we have identified it as gravity.

Look what logical phallacy means, you guys jumped to the wrong conclusion. Globe earth exists therefore gravity exist.

You need GRAVITY in order for globe earth to exist

No there for a force exists

Now if we decided no, gravity doesn't explain things, it's wrong. We still need something that acts on the things "under" the globe since we have observed that there are things there.

Stfu

Which is GRAVITY

You're assuming gravity already exists @the21cat

Youre putting texts into our devices

We are assuming that id we found it was a sphere and saying that the force could not be gravity

>Now if we decided no, gravity doesn't explain things, it's wrong. We still need something that acts on the things "under" the globe since we have observed that there are things there.
Red herring. Don't switch the subject to earth core. Gravity is still needed for globe earth to work. I've explained this a million times yet you GE are so stubborn.

Here's the logic:
Initial state:
```Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
Gravity exists because we can observe things falling to earth.```

Second state:
```Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
"not gravity" exists because we can observe things falling to earth.```

Okay fine. We have an alien device that acts as artificial gravity pulling mass to it

You guy committed so many logical fallacies and red herrings.

did the second statement have any effects on the first?

No youre being unreasonable and avoiding your own fallacies

Assuming the earth is already spherical. What holds water together? GRAVITY, you need gravity in order for the whole model to work. Is that too hard to understand?

What holds the water together? something

Not gravity for a definite fact

That something is gravity

Globe earthers refer to gravity to why water sticks to a globe.

No its a force

there are no assumptions. read it again:
Initial state:
```Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
Gravity exists because we can observe things falling to earth.```

Second state:
```Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
"not gravity" exists because we can observe things falling to earth.```

The first statement has nothing to do with water

here, i'll change it so that it's easier for you to understand.

Sure because thats the best accepted theory. But that theory could be thrown out any day

You're saying spherical earth already exists therefore gravity exists. It is a logical fallacy. You jumped to the wrong conclusion

Therefor something holding it to the sphere exists

Initial state:
```1st statement (has nothing to do with water): Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
2nd statement (this one is about water): Gravity exists because we can observe water falling to earth.```

Second state:
```1st statement (has nothing to do with water): Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground
2nd statement (this one is about water): "not gravity" exists because we can observe water falling to earth.```

Then you're assuming gravity or some other force already exists.

where's the assumption?????

That gravity exists because a spherical earth exists.

did you even read what I just posted 3 times?

rivenator12113#1610 LANGUAGE!!!

You're repeating the same phrases I already debunked

Yes we are because thats how physics works

Find the word water or gravity in this sentence:
Globe exists because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows it projects on the ground

The whole argument was about that you said gravity is not needed for a globe earth to exists. Stop doing so many red herring and think your gonna get away with your logical fallacies

Find the words sky, sun or shadow in this sentence:
"not gravity" exists because we can observe water falling to earth.

I gtg @Akhanyatin can cover for me in this debate pls

cya @the21cat !

You said we didn't need gravity for a globe earth to exist. Stop straw manning so muhc lol

Stop strawmanning yourself.
I said, we don't need JUST gravity to prove the earth is a globe. And any theory that replaces gravity will take into consideration that the earth is a globe, since the earth being a globe can be proven through other means

Thank you, you need gravity or some other force that can make water stick to a sphere so a globe earth can work. I rest my case

wtf lol this was never in question....

disproving gravity doesn't make water magically fly into space

Akhanyatin is sharp, damn

we've proven globe earth before we even knew about gravity

>And any theory that replaces gravity will take into consideration that the earth is a globe, since the earth being a globe can be proven through other means
You said you need another form of theory that can prove water sticks to sphere earth. You admitted yourself now your changing lol

Red herring again, you said that we didn't need gravity in order for a spherical earth to exist

straw man, i said we don't need gravity but we need something that would replace it in the event gravity is wrong

Which is what gravity is, it is the force that attract water to a sphere because its massive. Thanks lol, read back what you read 🤣 Disproving yourself once again

So disproving gravity would just change the reason why water sticks to a sphere

do you even understand logic?

Gravity is just a term for water sticking a sphere or mass attract mass. You would still need that premise for globe earth to work, understand that?

Here's a proof why the earth is a globe:
"The earth is a sphere because we can observe the position of the sun in the sky and the shadows projected on the ground."
You can't disprove this by saying gravity is fake.

Explain in which logical thought process, gravity being fake makes the sun and shadows prove a flat earth?

Straw manning, I already assumed a globe earth works. You still will need GRAVITY for the complete model to work. It seems your going in circles.

I never said globe earth didn't work, you still will need gravity for the whole model to work together.

Assuming that the earth is a globe, you don't need gravity to prove that water doesn't fall off earth, you can just look at it, water won't fly magically into space.

You can use gravity to explain why it doesn't fly into space though

>that water doesn't fall off earth, you can just look at it, water won't fly magically into space.
What is thaT called? GRAVITY

I mean, if you have another theory, go ahead, it will explain why the water sticks to a sphere, not why the sphere is a disc

since the sphere was proven through a different medium

You need gravity for it work, globe earth is non-sense without gravity.

I rest my case, you just admitted that gravity or some other force is needed for globe earth to work. Thank you for seeing past your ignorance.

Yeah a force we readily observe every day everywhere 😛

Which is called gravity 🤣

Who cares about names

Stuff falls down

The reason stuff falls down is gravity

According to GE

1) Globe earth was observed using the sun
2) water doesn't fly off in space

Why does 2 exist? theories
a) The earth is flat
b) there's a force

Your logical process:
It can't be 'b' because the force doesn't exist, therefore it must be 'a'.

So I answer
Ok but 'a' doesn't explain 1. Therefore it can't be 'a'.

Then you say that I'm using fallacies to prove a point.

Why doesn't 2) water doesn't fly off in space? Because of G R A V I T Y lmfao, proving me once again right 🤣

I mean, water falls down

1 and 2 exist, how do you explain 1 and 2 with 'a'?