In a sense the general public has been indoctrinated from gov run education and hollywood entertainment and mainstream media

🤔

Time and time again, especially in third world countries, have governments lied to control us.

That's a good point you have mentioned before, Kitty!

I would love to see some folks here expand upon it. c:

*looks at all the research that is publicly aviable*

What research?

I love how they manufactured a drama about a hole in the ISS to try to get people more interested in their hackery

*looks at all the prodects NASA made and now are daily things*

That could easily be fabricated, DrPeper.

Nasa does many things with its money. Helping the public isnt really happening. They clain they invent many things. But its actually the people they hire that invent things. They just steal the inventions

reguardless i it is made up, it is public infomation and people do use it

Citizen Z I agree, labour is theft

Where would we go to start talking more seriously about the flat earth phenomena?

... yes thank you Z for explaining how government contracts work

It's happened to writers and it has happened again to inventors, no reason to trust the sayings of a government who is concerned with staying in power.

Surely the lounge isn't the best place.

Yeah I'm not exactly sure that that's true: truth is truth. I'm not sure about the flat or round thing, but let's not give the gov't anymore credit than they deserve. Which is little.

Nasa is essentially a advertising company

Who knew that government agencies hire other companies to do shit for them

The feel good agency

The greatest empires in history navigated trade routes without accounting for "curvature" explain why we need to?

Easier to get someone else to do it than do it yourself. Easy to gain control over them and abuse their inventions.

again, even if NASA is just an advertising company, it has at the very least given some products popularity boost for helpful products

@Toothcake @Kitty @the boi mainstream or truther role?

Let's go with mainstream for now?

Do you really trust the government that much, DrPeper? Even a dictator has helped their citizens so they can stay in power.

Like I said I am not convinced the earth is flat the facts just don't really add up.

I would prefer questioning tbh

"facts"

Ok you believe the mainstream media and government? @Kitty

@Kitty most trade either happened through the Mediteranian or over land

I guess?

I would appreciate questioning as well! c:

I don't know is there an in between?

Flat earth is a different role

In between is the best role

I don't like Liberal Education if that's what you're asking!!!

Purple

🤔

My bad!

Got some words mixed up.

i dont know, i like that magenta

And Big Academia is another whole thing, Kitty.

Please don't start about liberal education pls

We've been over it

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Reddit is liberal.

i know, History is just the stupidest of topics

Yeah but you know that we'll never be magenta pepper

shhh

i can dream

Give us mod roles you cowards

So I want to ask?

https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/

What is the flat earth take on this?

We are way more online than Indo007

Listen - just do your research.

Nice

Are you ok, Mr Peron?

🤔

Where can we go for serious discussion?

I don't want memes to be included

I am assuming that's what Lounge is about

Yeah, serious may be better than Hitler over here

eh, Hitler was pretty politically savy

Rip edgey troll

F

Politically savvy? I don't know about that.

A good speaker, sure.

Thank you for removing the troll. It's hard to have these kinds of discussion online with someone making 'memes' all over it! c:

yeah, how do you think he became a dicator. asking nicely?

@Kitty debate chat

A coup . . ? Hindenburg gave him Chancellorship.

Or discussion

no coup

Thank you, Citizen Z!

He manipulated his way to the top, he was just an idiot when it came to war, that and the possible syphllious

I don't have access?

Do we need to be on longer

*presidency

Hindenburg was the Chancellor

You need a blue, green or purple role

The coup was more that "attack" that allowed Hitler to have emergency powers

@Kitty flat earthers contend that all video and pictures of earth from"space" are faked from Nasa and all other space agencues

yeah the burning of the Reichstag was pretty unluckly for everyone

article 48 👌

This is my problem with people who are so sure of their belief, it's pretty common knowldge Hindenburg was President of the Weimar Republic.

So I work as a 3D modeler for a living and let me tell you, there's no way it is all fake?

@Kitty mainstream, questioning or truther.

Mainstream...believes government narratives

Questioning....is question mainstream and truther narratives

Truther...believes gov lies about many things... Researching to find truth

I don't know, maybe it is an illusion of perspective or something but the sheer volume of the space images

Questioning please

@Kitty you should look into it all

I think I will just commit to being a Truther please. c:

did i get them mixed up.

Oh can I have questioning as well?

i think i did

You did

yup

Hold up though

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ol3JRSV996o/maxresdefault.jpg

this is a cgi earth

Also Kitty brings up a good point! Like look at Fish Eye lenses.

this looks nothing like it?

@Libari how bout you? Would u like mainstream? Truther? Or questioning?

I'm not gonna tell you guys again - it's like the Bible. The Bible was man-made, man is full of sin and therefore also has the capacity to lie; nobody knows if everything in the Bible's happened because we don't have a time machine to go back and look for ourselves. If people don't believe in the Bible, why should they believe in a ROUND EARTH??????????

Also, yes.

🤔

valid point libari

got me convinced

There is many evidences for the bibles stories

Well hold on there, Libari. I would not say the bible is full of lies.

I'm glad you are there with me, Citizen Z.

😁

The reason you should “believe” the round earth is that there is a heck ton of empirical evidence for it.

@Libari let me role you =)

Good point, but what about the evidence to the contrary

Even if it may not be entirely accurate there is a lot to be learned for how to act and how to convey ourselves in times of questioning.

This is why I am questioning

Questioning, please.

Yes.

You mean rational. @The18thDoctor

Kk

?

*looks at the exodus* yeah, loads

It can be dense to read through but it is worth the effort. c:

You can't experience geometry; it's a construct.

eh

what about this

has some good morals in it. I'll give it that

So the millions of balls of 98% sulfur found around the 5 cities. What is the mainstream answer for that?

More than a construct, Mr. Tooth. A social construct.

Mainstream science agrees now there was once a great flood

Did you guys see the Salton Sea test

Tons of evidence for the bible

@Kitty if you take different pictures from different angles, different distances, different times, as different spectrums of light, yes, the pictures will look different.

Yeah but how would they get different angles from the ISS

Do they move the cameras?

They can still be faked and edited easily, The 18th Doctor.

@Citizen Z Care to back up that claim about the flood?

Or do they just move the ISS

And those aren’t from the iss

Modern technology is rather confusing with what they can do.

Nevermind the sizes. It all is fake photoshop admited by nasa

Where else would someone take a picture from?

you do know sulfur is naturally accuring from other sources besides valcanos right Z

The moon?

How would they move the moon

*Can* do. How do you know they are?

@DrPeper not 98% pure

Where/when/what context has NASA said they are fake?

Think about it peper. Millions of balls of sulfur found around the 5 cities like ghammorah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ7Qguk7cb0

This was the video that got me questioning

yes, it actually does Z

How bout the limestone walls turned to calcium carbonate

...limestone is calcium carbonate

How does millions of balls of 98% pure sulfur occur where there is no volcanic activity

No peper. Limestone has to be baked to turn into calcium carbonate

I have to be baked to feel anything at all 😂

no, Limestone is just a rock made of calcium carbonate

Need some puffs? I can share =]

If only email worked like that

Z, its why acid rain ruins limestone statues and buildings

DrPeper, where did you read about these things? Who funded them?

where did i learn that Limestone is calcium carbonate?

I will find the info later. Got to go for a bit

Yes. Who told you about it?

Limestone concrete walls

the definition of limestone Julia

in literally every single text book you could possible read that includes it

See! And who controls the textbooks?

Textbooks are edited & published, yeah.

Tooth here has discussed with me a lot about how academia lies and tricks their students.

🤔 Hmm I wonder

go find a limestone statue or building or rock formation and run some simple test on it yourself if you dont believe me

With what? Their tools? Their books?

Why should I trust their books? They lie so often in them!

Look at how they talk about wars, DrPeper.

yeah, this is now a stupid conversation

Yes, since you came in with your absolutist attitudes. This is the problem with Academia and we can't even have a conversation about it!

i am not having a conversation about what limestone is

@the boi Can I ask if @DrPeper is giving you a hard time?

It's beyond what the limestone represents.

wtf did i do gwench

did u do something?

@DrPeper I don’t know. Did you?

Julia is the one who started this line of talk about how do i know what limestone is

He's fine, I know he means no harm.

Sorry my bad. You are right. I meant calcium sulfate

@the boi Omg I’m so sorry for that. This being your first time here at the server, you should be treated better.

...

The response has been pretty hostile so far honestly

I was hoping for reasoned debate

It's ok! Thank you so much for watching out for me! c:

@the boi Welcome to The Ice Wall.

😃

When calcium carbonate and sulfur are mixed it turns to calcium sulfate

@Kitty And welcome to you too. So happy to have you here. 😃

It's a good life. 😄

@Libari Another one? Welcome 😃

Thank you!

Yeah! Kitty and Libari joined when i joined.

Give me a moment to become familiar with your roles. 😃

i know when you combine sulfuric acid and XCaronate you get water, CO2, and XSulfate

@the boi @Libari @Kitty I would love it if you guys have the savvy to deal with @DrPeper . He’s an ornery little bastard. Nice but... you know. 🤷‍♀️

X being any elemant from the first two coloms of the periodic table

Chill out, man.

Thank you for such a warm welcome, Gwench. c:

https://proof.directory/blog/2015/11/03/the-remains-of-sodom-and-gomorrah/

? sorry for going explaning a chemical reaction?

DrPeper, you are aware that governments will fake chemical information?

I like @the boi 😁

I like you too, Gwinch!

There is nothing faked at these sites..no one could fake millions of balls of sulfur

i never said they were fake Z

I know

There is some that do

@DrPeper the limestone walls were baked into calcium phosphate

wait, you said pure sulfur right?

not something like Sulfur dioxide?

Fricking men. 🙄

They sure can be stubborn sometimes, haha.

@the boi @Libari @Kitty

Can I suggest helping yourselves to the self-assign roles bot? It’s just for interests sake. 😃

Sure! I will get to that in a bit. c:

@DrPeper 98% pure

My goodness

My goodness

Sulfur found in nature is like 40% pure

so why would god make it 98% sulfur when he destroyed the cities?

cause if the Sulfur is on fire then it turns into Sulfur Dioxide

:?

Welcome @Toothcake

Thanks!

Have you not been helped with your roles?

I think it got lost in the chat. It was going a little quickly.

you can self assign tooth its easy

go click the emo ji

But we need to assign some basic roles first @Toothcake

@DrPeper let me get the info

Right then. I'm ready and willing.

@Toothcake Do you believe everything the mainstream or governments tell us?

It depends on what tbh

Some things are just obviously true, other things are generally obfuscated or twisted for political benefit.

Do you believe in at least 3 conspiracies by governments or the elite?

I am mostly interested in the narrative surrounding 2008 and Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidency.

Not sure if I'm Truther, but, I'm not mainstream.

what about FDR?

Hmmm. That is interesting. I might want to know more about that.

@Toothcake ufos?