Maybe I've been watching the "solo: a star wars story" reviews while the critical score has stayed at 70% but audience score whent down to 54% and now it's up to 63%

Which makes me think there's some fuckery going on there.

Solo seems caught between the two factions

those who see a female and scream sjws have gone too far and those who see anything progressive and go this is the best thing since sliced bread

and somewhere in the middle are real reviews

https://gizmodo.com/working-at-snap-is-a-freakin-blast-bro-1826392274

once again: "We want to be treated equally by being treated differently!"

http://archive.is/qTwvU archive link for those who don't want to give gizmodo clicks

danke

i have them blocked in my hosts file to always remind me to use archive.is

lmao

@Grenade123 I mean star wars dose have some progressive bullshit in it, but the last two films were just lazy.

and that is where the real criticize lies. stuck in-between the to factions. No, its not suck because, or not solely because, it has progressive bs in. And no, it is not great just because it has progressive bs in it. The problem comes down to being lazy writing, and uninteresting story telling. Ultimately the cause for this is irrelevant, the solution is to stop being lazy.

One of my main gripes is that Finn has no purpose as a character. He does nothing. Accomplishes nothing.

He's not a hero because he's continually running away.

Even when he fights, he's somehow shown to be wrong for doing so.

The one time he could have been a hero the mechanic person stopped him.

I don't get what purpose they think he serves.

At this point he's just a foil and love interest for the mechanic asian that nobody remembers the name of.

Who just kinda showed up and was a mary sue.

the problems of last jedi wernt really the progressivism, that probably reinforced it, but it wasent the real issue, it was actually full blown incompatency behind the writing

I think the two problems are deeply intertwined.

that movie doesent just ruin starwars, it ruined the last movie in the sequince and people had problems with that movie to start with

My main problem is that Rey never gets a fucking scratch one her and is just magically the best at everything with so little training.

Yeah that's awful

you look at the original trilogy and Luke fucking sucks at everything, constantly needing his buddies to save his ass. and only haft he disappears for god knows how long does he come back at all competent, and he still almost dies in the end

Luke is supposed to be extremely powerful, and it takes him years of training and failure to achieve anything.

yeah i dont really care to much about that in 8. i think they should have solved that, but at the same time i dont actually think RAY is even the main character in that movie, i think she has less than 50% screentime

also, what did they do to fucking luke?!

"i won't strike you down in anger....but'll kill this little kid here"

Yeah that was pretty bad,

i think luke is their culmination of incompatence and progressivism

"I don't want anyone to find me but i'll leave a map"

but the incompatence was a big factor in it

and all they had to do to fix that scene, is make snoke appear like it seemed kylo did

I don't know who that old hermit on the island was, but it wasn't Luke Skywalker.

same exact misunderstanding, but motive completely different

what you have to understand is that the key focus the writer for the last jedi had was "take any thing people want to see in this movie, and do the exact opposite"

the only thing he didint really subvert was ray and kylo

everything else was opposite world from what anyone wanted to see in starwars

is that really their motivation? or was he just that incompetent he didn't know how to remove all the old stuff to make new stuff in a good way

no it really was his motivation

its not just old stuff

do you have proof of this?

he ruined shit 7 set up

And that's why it's bad writing.

yes he did, but like i said, could just be he didn't know how to do things in a good way, and botched it entirely

Subversion for it's own sake is not a story.

wanted to remove everything and make his own in understandable, but intentionally do the complete opposite to make people hate it is an accusation that needs some evidence

also, its not like 7 set up much to start with

nah it wasent just "remove stuff to make it my own" because he never actually added anything

sure he did, he added rose and an animal abuse PSA

this movie starts with the characters running away and it ends with the characters running away

Like we expect Poe to be a hero. Someone who breaks the rules and saves the day. The subversion is that the qualities we expect to be present in a hero are in fact bad, and that he is fucking up the plan of the bitch commander. The bad writing is that there's no reason for the bitch commander not to simply inform Poe of what the plan is.

^

"how do we make good movie? I know, conflict for conflicts sake!"

to be fair, one motivation is "we are not entirely sure how they followed us, so we are keeping things a secret" but that would require writing that in the explanation later.

there are so many tiny changes like that which make 8 salvageable that they just didn't.

We expect good leaders to understand their underlings and not cause mutinies, but the subversion is Holdo is a complete moron and refuses to encourage or inspire even the least bit of loyalty.

what i actually find interesting is wondering if theres actually anything they have lefft to make a 9th movie from

i want vice admiral gender studies to be a traitor for that subversion without reason

The best way to get people to trust you and have faith in you when you ask them to do something dangerous is to publicly belittle them.

Works every time.

Really nothing has changed from 7.

if you really think about it, they have less at the end of 8 than they had at the end of 7

The big bad guy is dead.

oh fuck a toooooon of shit changes from 7

And they can just skip ahead a few years, so they have an army again.

What has changed from 7?

The big bad didn't matter. Came out of nowhere, died for no purpose.

7 set up plot lines

8 got rid of them

Not really

yes really

i mean, they still have the main bad guy, kylo. they just got rid of both his dad issues

his actual dad in 7, and his step dad in 8

Ray's family is nobodys? Could be a lie.

The knights or ren are still out there.

7 set up nothing really.

tbh

I was kinda expecting Kylo and Rey to be brother and sister. So that was a subversion as well.

I don't think most people expected that to be a thing.

Their force skype sex thing was a creepy AF in 8.

aside from "hey, empire 2.0 is back because......reasons. where have they been hiding, and why does the resistance need to be a thing? Because reasons. fuck it, we needed a reset button. these are the big baddies that have a fleet yet apparently have no planets they control and just pissed off the whole sector"

oh, and in 8 we just destroyed their fleet

destroyed their fleet with a very obvious tactic that no one ever did ever before in thousands of years of light speed.

"what is up with luke, why did he become a hermit" finding the map to luke was part of the plot of 7 to set up for more plot in 8, they ruined that by making it pointless and not actually add to anything. "who is snoke, how is he so powerful as to form a first order thats arguibly more powerful than the empire was" doesent matter because he dies in 8 and its not even explained. "what will the first order do now that most of their stuff is destroyed" well 8 basicly says they have no limit to how much shit they can have and the resistance has nothing because "reasons".

really, why is the first order dangerous? This like a civil war in a third world country to the rest of this sector

Capitalism.

the knights of ren are a thing but the movie didint even do anything with them, its the only thing besides "characters are running away" that is left in the series

Don't worry guys I bet we'll get an even bigger death star next movie.

It's be perfect.

>.>

its worked so well before

This one blows up galaxies.

i mean, we still have the question of where the fuck they got those resources

because apparently they have them

Stole them from downtrodden waifs.

i kinda think it would be a good idea to kill ray in the first scene of the next movie. it would be a subversion that you could actually make something interesting from

downtrodden waifs of fucking where?!