either its the insurance companies taking the money, or government officials raiding funds to give themselves raises.

Thats my point. The Gov should provide health care. You have one buyer and no middle man skimming off the top.

the government IS the middle man.

get the government out of my healthcare. period.

At the moment, yes. If the Gov employed the Dr and owned the hospitals and there was no need to worrie about insurance if you are at a high risk of cancer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending

okay, and who in the government decides how much a doctor is worth?

You can choose to have private health care here. But if that fails you you have the NHS to fall back on. Or if it's somehting small and you don't want to increase you insuance you can was the NHS.

private health care is always better

first the implement polices that make hospitals nothing but money sinks without charging crazy prices, then they try and force me to pay insurance companies, the solution to their own problem, then you want to give these guys the direct power to waste my money so i can't help anyone else?

competition makes things more competitive and yes, people make money, its a fact of life

the US within "crap health care system" does most of the worlds r&d

so all these socialist healthcare systems are riding on our coat tails

sure its got its problems and I do content that I dont' think anyone should go into poverty if they get sick

but it sure beats the competition, regardless of what people may think

i have more power to shape the system when i have money. much more than i have power to tell dick-wads who know nothing of healthcare who have the power to decide what does and doesn't make sense.

yup

and I can always find another doctor

instead of one "provided" to me if I don't like the care

i have enough of a problem at my work. When leaders doesn't listen to the boots on the ground, it always ends up poorly for the boots on the ground. and politicians NEVER listen.

and why would they? i have not CHOICE but to pay their salary.

or they come in with guns

oh and I dnt' have to pay taxes to cover medicine I wouldn't use because I'd go with private anyway

look at how fast Battlefront 2 got fucked.

we should have that power over our politicians

and we don't

You can have private health care if you want. but for people that have the choice to have the care they might need if everyone put in some cash so that no one has to go with out.

and who pays for these people?

Everyone.

so I have to pay for everyone else and my own care on top of that?

that's called socialism

get your socialism out of my shit

really? so those people too poor to afford private are partly that poor because the government took that money from them?

also

if everyone pays for everyone then you are only pay for yourself

OR, people with more money are paying for the people with less money.

people are better at making healthcare choices about themselves then some goverment system plus any cogs in the system (i.e. doctors that jsut dont care because they hate the system just as much)

everyone is selfish

capitalism thrives on that

No. The system works coz most ppl don't use it. Some ppl over their life will pay in far more than they use.

and everyone wins

WWIII when

Look at your countries life expectancy and tell me you have the best health care.

soon'tm

tbh I'd attibute that less to healthcare and more to the fatfucks here

if you're referring to US

basically

lifestyle choices

that being said our healthcare system is indeed flawed

flawed, but better than the alternatives so far

whats the obesity percentage? 30%?

@Poppy Rider a difference of 2 years?

I like giving peole a choice

given how fat the US is, i'd say that is rather impressive

yeah, and falling.

its like 4 years

also

the US has like 350Million people

325, sorry

and. economies of scale.

economies of scale in thsi regard tend to scale negatively

no. not if your talking about the price of care.

tfw when you were younger you wanted your dad to buy a scale to keep your own weight in check

and your dad told you to stop worrying about your weight so much

fucking doctors man

also

take a lietime expetency

order it by population

for all counties 100Mil+ people

you'll see US is doing very well

poppy where do you live anyway

what other countries have over 100m. India, china

UK

wew

shut up

UK seems kinda lame tbh

lmao

not where I am.

I say "wew"

you say "shut up"

all I said was wew, man

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Been getting a bad rep lately, I'm a little defensive.

well uh

why do we need a government to hold people at gun point? are people really that awful they won't help other people when able?

your country does seem to have flaws

but so does ours

You have a military. I'm not getting into a debate if tax is theft or not. Every one I have had always ends up just argueing over price not pricable.

We have machines in our NHS that cost millions for very rare cases and go unused most of the time. With a larger population that would come down to less money per 'customer'

been getting a bad rap lately? you personally or the UK?

UK

well join the party

i can't think of a single other country that says anything good about america

besides when we are giving them free money to fly more planes into us

I love your constitution.

I'd rathe have the US be the world police then China

which is funny, because china has the population to be the world police

i'm really surprised Russia and China don't push against the US harder

they must not really care about much outside their area

They're both on very thin ice with their own populations