But the owners of said bank never get any more service

at best if you won't bend and give me what i want, i'll just burn your store and kill you to make an example for weaker idiots to bend out of fear

and then i'll be killed by a bigger fish

anarchism sure does sounds fun

Then the community that I supply and exist with in hunts you down

would they care since you would no longer be able to supply ? What's the point of vengeance when there's nothing to gain

Alright, let's use the 1200s as an example

you're digging yourself into a corner

Back then, there was maybe one person considered law enforcement

open a history book lmao

Why then was crime still difficult? Why then was it hard to get away with vast immoral acts?

Because the prey fought back

people feared the church and the nobility

You assume that your prey wont fight back, fear changes people

They either get swallowed by it or, break threw and fight you with everything

big deal

Also, I dont think many ancaps say their shouldn't be religion

I atleast dont.

@-𝕋𝕖𝕘𝕣𝕒- the video you linked comes from an ancap's channel.

Confusing ancaps with ancoms is literally the only argument people seem to have.

both systems don't work, so who cares

Humans lasted many many thousands of years off of small tribes or less, governments as they exist today have only been around about 10000 years

and we were that much better off, right 😂

All I know is that a market can exist without a government

Governments as they exist today haven't been around that long.

Guilds would probably form, and then create a security class for hire

Merchant guilds

at any scale bigger than "i give you my chicken eggs for your bag of potatoes" it won't work

Okay mate

I didn't come here to argue ancapisn

a government is just the logical evolution of groups that try to ensure a fairer market and put guarantees for people not to get fucked over

So take the win.

being okay with merchant and mercenaries guilds

is the same as being ok with a government

See, maybe this is where my beliefs on topic are different.

I do not know about others, all i know is that government is a waste

A market in defense is not the same thing as a compulsory monopoly.

Everything the government does, private groups can do

In otherwords, there is no need for government to exist

Not that I have a problem with government

Not everything. Private groups can't do the bad stuff as easy.

Well they could, it would just effect them more

As easy.

Anyhow, my point is this, government is useless. I do not mind monopolies, I do not mind merchant guilds

All these things form even with government, mercenary groups exist too

So why have something so wasteful? I mean the only reason I think so, is that not all nations would willingly dismantle themselves

They like the power, he money

For that reason, I do not believe ancapism the way to go. I do however think it would be the better option if it was possible.

with "if" you can put paris in a bottle

The hard question isn't would it work or how would it work, it's how do we get from here to there. Hoppe makes a decent argument for that.
https://youtu.be/d_ybi1MeC3c

https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense

https://youtu.be/UPkZxZ8XUBY

even on paper, anarchism sounds worst and impractical than full authoritarian communism

I guess you like the government taking your tax money

*giving somone else's

For no other reason than, "we want too."

i like society being as fair and crime free as possible

Sounds like something an ancap would say.

much rather have the government take my money and redistribute it than a group of thugs steal it for nothing but their own benefits

Difference?

Honestly, none at all

in one you get good infrastructure and a safety net

in the other you get your kneecaps boken

Yeah, I run a multinational corporation and to improve profits I build roads

Problem solved

well the land isn't yours is it ?

do you have billions in advance and 5 decades to wait before it makes a profit ?

Roads already exist, it wouldn't take 5 years to build entirely new roads

lol

The government disbanded won destroy them

that's not even what i asked

Unless you think everything we have today will just collapse out of no where?

You would expand them, that could take maybe a year, especially because private construction workers actually do the shit quickly

you're so far removed from reality i'm concerned for your well being

How am i?

If shopping centres allow free parking to boost profits, it's not much of a stretch to think that they would pay for the roads to get to them too.

well it's already built, what forces them to pay ?

Nothing forces them too

exactly

But see, if thy dont

Market forces.

What happens, they lose business

nothing forces no one to do anything or to be fair

society colapses

Yeah, and all their money in the process

Rich people are greedy, you gotta play off that greed

money backed by whom ?

Money, gold

It's all synonyms

Besides, the USD is not even printed by the government

Kinda is.

Everyone is just a bank note

So banks will start to horde extremely valuable stuff, and then the valuable shit will back their own bank notes

Ofc it's not perfect, but, a merchant will know that even if they do not have a use for some for of valuable good. It is still tradable

And even then, but it would never happen anyway

Governments are to power hungry

but banks aren't 🙃

Banks would be fairly harmless without the state.

Fractional reserve banking requires government intervention.

i'm a bank in a anarchist ~~state~~ country place thing. What prevents me from just printing more money that i don't have the gold for ?

essentially what the actual banks do

Bubble bust cycles.

Everyone, literally hunting you

nice, people suffer

how would they know ?

Because killing isnt illegal

When someone tries to go get the notes traded out

lol, like someone at the top of a bank wouldn't have the best militia

Without the state to socialise the losses, then reserves would tend towards 100%

there's no way everyone would come and take out the gold at the exact same time

If they knew the bank was stealing it, they would.

But it would be very hard to not run out if you are over printing

that's like saying "getting out of a dictature is easy, just kill the leader" lmao

it not being illegal doesn't make it easier

https://youtu.be/Ta7q1amDAN4

See, it would be very difficult to get away with screwing over everyone you are trying to serve

Because, there will be nothing to bail you out

And eventually, your bank will cose

keep dreaming

You have effectively ruined everyone's aroud you life

They wont take that sitting down, I told you

Fear of individual action, will be the drive force for good

Not fear of the Government

If one bank inflates faster than others the other banks can cause a bank run on it, sending it bankrupt. Market forces would eliminate fractional reserve banking if market forces were allowed to operate in banking.

because the government doesn't represent the collective will of the people right ? it's a self made entity that has nothing keeping it in check

The government does not serve the will of the people

It acts like it does

Government does not represent the will of the people. The will of the people is an incoherent concept.

But see governments, sserve the will of the people who pay them shit loads of money

who protects your sorry ass from other countries invading you

You gotta tack that last part on

How can an organization that maintains a monopoly on the use of force be kept in check?

who makes deals with other nations

Oh, so another non existent nation would attack

yeah sure, you're the only nation on earth

Interesting

No, there is none. I said this already

It would only work if every nation didismantled itself

ooooh we're doing some rp fantasy land where everyone everywhere thinks that anarchy is the way to go ?

i'm out

But not even one would

Well, you can decide to ignore a fantasy, but to say the market wouldn't exist without government

https://youtu.be/r3n0raXQ0oU

You clearly have no idea how trade works

yeah, it's me who is delusional obviously

The government is not needed for us to trade two items we find valuable

I wont say that ancspism isn't wishful thinking

Statism is more wishful thinking, tbh.

It definitely is, but the government is not needed for a market to form

it's the position that a government will not emerge by itself and that if it does it's detrimental that sounds the most crazy to me

there's a reason governments pop out of existence everywhere and that society is better off after than before

Minarchism is as much an unrealistic utopian ideal as communism.

I wonder why somalia was the fastest improving territory in the region by every metric for the period that it was stateless. Strange.

The difference between minarchism and ancapism?

https://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia

because african governments can't catch a break with all the foreign interferences and power plays

That makes no sense

Why would power plays and foreign interference, actually speed up the development of Somalia?

Minarchism is like ayn rand and shit. People who still want socialized law, police and defense, and somehow think giving the state a monopoly on these services won't inevitably lead to tyranny.

Well, yeah but it is probably the closest thing and most reasonable thing to what we desire

No, you've been drinking the leftist cool aid and concede way too many points.

I dont drink leftist anything

i'm saying that power plays and foreign interference actually impair the development of somalia when a government is in place

so of course it works a bit better when there's no government

@Cody check your cupboard, everything contains soy.

Why would that be the case?

To both of you

Agenda 21

i only drink water

Tap or bottle?

Anyhow, yall are trolling

Trade requires the government to be around

tap and bottle, depends

Get a water filtration system and super male vitality pills from Alex Jones.
https://www.infowarsstore.com/health-and-wellness/water-filtration.html

Why is slowmode on

Mods are drunk with power.

I guess

Would there be any moral standards enforced in an anarchist society ? Like how do you prevent bestiality, pedophilia and such

With a bullet.

so let's say there's a mom raping her son, you kill the mom, now what ? you let the boy rot ?

Adoption market.

https://mises.org/library/children-and-rights

seems reductive, who are you to decide if a bullet is the right thing to do ?

I am.

what if the husband then comes and kills you because you murdered his wife, is he right, wrong ?

If he knew that was going on and did nothing, he gets the bullet too.

bird brain

x does bad thing, me kill x durr

Would you not be willing to kill a pedo or pay for a police service that woulf enforce that in your community?

depends what the situation is and no killing would not be the first thing on my list

not the second or third, i'm not a savage

Would you at least want the child removed from the abusive relationship and the abisive parent physically removed from society?

we'd need the child temporarily removed and a fair and neutral investigation done, then some sort of trial with fair and universal rules enforced and some sort of adequate punishment..

you know, like a judicial system backed by a state or something

There's no reason those services couldn't be provided by the market, no need for slavery.

yes there is, because corporations would not follow what's just but what's profitable

that's how you get witch hunts

Market forces in a free market in law and defense woulf create a tendency toward property rights being pretty much the only rights protected. What is just is what is profitable, except where a state os involved.

slavery is profitable

grooming gangs are profitable

a bunch of immoral disgusting shit are profitable

a judiciary system based on profit is not good

https://youtu.be/C2WhnOHCpKs

posting a vid and three links every two minutes doesn't make your position credible

People aren't going to go to a judge that is just going to decide based on who gives the most money, unless you have a state.

Private law existed in Ireland and worked very well.

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https://youtu.be/l694nzfscAw

People like halfthink is why libertarians are a joke.

Private laws... lol. Tells a lot about libertarians spergy side (the ancap retards) that they call judges work as "just giving their opinion". Sure, consideration is required but they make the consideration based on the law. In anarchy there's no law. You could have a private judging executing someone based on ugliness of a garden gnome because **why the fuck not**. Why would you need a written law when you can have private law (i.e you just give an opinion).

You can argue that of course make it based on NAP but **dude, that's just an opinion**. You could also have anarchotyranny (in a different sense that it's understood under statehood). You'd probably have EULAs that would not only just be legally enforceable but carried out privately. Small print declaring you give their child to the land owners rape dungeon, along with all your other belongings. Why the fuck not.

halfthink already proved that a libertarian society would not defend liberty, when he said animal fuckers would be shot, despite not violating NAP.

I said earlier, it's pretty simple

If you dont surprise me, I will kill you

Killing is not illegal

So... killing in general not a violation of NAP?

This is why ancaps are practically falling to the deep side of the pool... from two different sides, simultaneously.

NAP

Dont know what that is tbh

It's simple, try to steal from my store. I kill you

That's it. Simple stuff

speaking tough like that is ridiculous, i get second hand cringe

Not first hand?

if we ever devolve into a anarchist hellhole, i'll become a gravedigger, there'll be no shortage of corpses

Yeah. All the ancaps really want is summarily execute other people for whatever they come up with. Some seem to limit it to NAP violations (threat to life, health or property), others would execute perverts as well for crimes against morality (no NAP violation involved).

How is pedophilia not a violation of the NAP?

I don't agree with the objectivity of morality, but clearly rape would violate the principle.

sherif complex, making yourself judge jury and executioner on the spot

I think yall are just too busy licking uncles Tom's big toe to understand

He has tricked you so well, he actually made you think you need him

@halfthink You halfthink again. Weren't you going to execute pedophiles and people who has partaken in beastiality?

You do know animals don't take part in NAP considerations?

"the jews" here we go

The question earlier was about someone raping their kid.

Well, idk about other jews but I definitely dont rape or want to rape children

Asshole

Also, you do know pedophilia itself is just a thought crime, and child rape is an action that A) not all pedophiles do, and B) is done by non-pedophiles as well?

Wtf is your point?

Are you defending pedophiles?

Btw, can you explain the image you just posted.

Who do you think "all fuck kids"? Jews? Or do they call others as all fucking kids and using that accusation as blackmail?

All statists are pedophiles.

What?

And if Jews themselves fuck kids, how is kid raping "blackmail"?

You lost me.

Literally every single one.

And people still don't understand why ancaps come out as cringe.