thats just stupid

no good

by all means defend yourself, but don't make the first strike

look at one punch man in portland

there is a reason he didnt get charged

and the left ignored it

and since Antifa is eager to fight, you can just wait for the defensive strike

he got whacked with a club

this is a video of a dozen dudes stomping ppl

and when they fall down you back up

This video feels like something I would see antifa do.

who jumped who?

PB Jumped an antifa guy.

seems like Proudboys got big enough to start having people in it just there to pick a fight, instead of for its principles

That is substandard behaviour. I kinda expect that Gavin will condemn it.

Until I get some assurance that 80% of antifa members are FBI agents I will defend PB no matter what.

yeah always bad apples

What they did was not defensible.

thats how Antifa started, people defending it no matter what

They were clearly in the wrong.

Maybe the proudboys as a whole isn't like that, but those specific guys need to go to jail.

And it needs to not happen again.

Of course, now that Gavin has been removed from social media, ??? if anyone will know whether he's condemned it or not.

if you read the comments

no one knows what's going on

If law enforcement won't deal with antifa then I will support PB dealing with them. It's that simple.

"No. There's three of them that jumped 2 Proud Boys without knowing that the rest of them were right around the corner. OOPSIE. Lol"

@xorgy He did not.

Hmm

It does look bad, regardless of the truth, @LotheronPrime

Id unno man, someone jumps me

Can't do shit that looks like jumping people.

they're gonna get hhurt

Hopefully we get more footage so we know what happened.

whoever jumped who

fuck them

PB or Antifa

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This was a screen cap so take it with a grain of salt but this is the only thing I've seen him say. https://twitter.com/HuntedHorse/status/1051155641975394304

given history

I'm going to lean towards Antifa

but who knows

I would prefer no violence in the streets at all but that's not the world we live in, where antifa exists.

The point of self defense is that it stops when someone is no longer a threat

^

nothing else matters

even if they got ambushed

IE if you outnumber them you have no right to be kicking them on the ground

They did stop. Eventually.

If they outnumber you then it gets a little trickier

they lost when they kicked the downed guys

sore winning

I dunno Tim

and now they lose the court of public opinion

if someone jumps me like that

they're going to leave hurt

sure

but when u win its over

It's just bad tactics, makes everyone look bad.

I can understand why theyd go after the downed people dont get me wrong

No matter what decent selfish reasons you may have.

sure I can understand why antifa clubs ppl

also adrenaline is a bitch

Well to be fair Tim they already lost that when they weren't kicking people on the ground.

ppl get heated

So I don't know if that really changes much.

But it wouldve been much better for the movement as a whole if they just stopped

They lost the court of public opinion, that is.

This isn't Europe. When someone threatens you, you don't have to submit to it and then accept being permanently injured or worse.

No one is saying that

honestly, public opinion has already made up their mind

they're either pro or anti antifa

I don't think so.

I have to say that I have been skeptical of the Proud Boys for a long time.

theres a large undecided majority and we all know what will happen with the information war

oh yeah PB are antagonistic for sure

The thing which made them seem like a non-threat was the fact that they had appeared principled in every case I could find.

not saying that's the right answer

I'm saying antifa vs all

Antifa will show the part where there people are on the ground and claim proud boys attacked them out of nowhere

They had not lost the war for the minds of people who would check.

pb or just patriot prayer or whatever

Now they may have.

Someone will start posting the full video and show that Antifa started the fight

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Antifa will say that their members had no choice but to attack these people because they were being threatened/insulted racially

The full video is in the hands of the person who posted the clipped one.

It ain't showing up any time soon.

If you don't want to see PB vs antifa on the streets then pressure the government to do its fucking job and round up antifa.

Proud boys will deny this. No one will have neutral evidence to say otherwise.

right

when antifa can direct traffic

If it is shown by video Antifa started, i'll stand by PB and fully support it,
If PB made a first strike, i condemn it

then law and order is no logner

How fast does the patreon link work?

Honestly, I would agree with somebody trying to bring traffic through an Antifa blockade.

But that would look very different.

you mean run them over?

Just lay on your horn and slowly move forward

doesn't work