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Rarely does anything ever go perfect so there is no reason to add more variables of women.
We love our women and want to protect them. That's natural and healthy.
When you have people who know their role, everyone can just take it easy, knowing their job. When its free for all, there's a risk of people wondering, "should I join that dogpile or not, who's gonna attack that dude, X". But when marches march and guards guard, its simple.
The best way to protect them is to not put them in danger in the first place
Well, I have been in regular nazi demos for like 3 years, never had such a problem. Don't think it's terribly different there, unless there's some specific point you want to make?
Okay well kombat you arent the organizer and the organizers arent going to have it militarily ordered
So we shouldn't have women there
I can guarantee there have been more people on both sides than there will be in that demo.
Agreed. There's no reason to bring the women.
Even if it was an ordered event there is no good reason to add the variables of having noncombatants
See, when people know they aren't gonna have to bust commies themselves, it makes easier for more people to come as well. If there are +1000 people, I can guarantee you not all are combat ready anyway, and they shouldn't be.
Or even several hundreds.
Or even smaller.
I'm talking about combat incapable
No reason for them to be there
And like I said this isnt being organized by Nazi street fighters its by IE and Jason kessler
>that feel when you dont have 30 NRM battle mormons to watch your back
Yeah, it's a good feeling having the battle mormons, no red has ever gotten even close.
Where are you located?
Not trying to school you or anything, just having friendly tactical discussion.
I didn't take it as being schooled. I still dont believe you are grasping why its a bad idea to do it here
No, I'm not, please explain.
This is not a well ordered NRM march. This is a multi organizational rally that is mostly stationary
Things will be chaotic
And adding women to that is disastrous
I bet you guys have more actual military vets than we do.
For no positive benefit
And yet things are usually chaotic
Last rally we even had this old lady who had been in the female Hitler youth 😄
Thats pretty cool its hitler maidens though
Bund deutscher Mädel
But yeah, if its multiorganizational, yeah, that complicates it I guess.
We just have one nazi organization across like 4-5 countries.
Very much so
About 10 different orgs
Plus many unaffiliated WN people
I guess this is gonna sound FBI but do you practice beforehand or anythiing?
I am leading some if it for twp having had training in fighting
Yeah, that's why having dedicated guards is great, it doesn't matter if non-members show up, since their only job is to enjoy the rally, male, female or kids while the guards beat the shit out of reds and cops.
Yeah I wish we could have it that well ordered
Cool and nice.
You will, one day.
TWP is the first organization taking steps to get it that way
And it's great, and should push it as much as it can. But even if you have only like +100 people, having a chunk of those as dedicated guards shouldn't be impossible. Like you said, fighting is very chaotic, if you like, before the march picked the best equipped people and told you'll be the ones to act if commies rush us, it already clears a lot of things up.
Danes are the best scandis
Like if a fight breaks out, some might freeze, not quite knowing if they help or go just keep doing what they do.
Especially if they don't have explicit order to just march and ignore attempted attacks, there's this feeling, an entirely natural one, to just rush to your comrade's help, if he's attacked, right?
Even if it were impractical and infact counterproductive.
Indeed. I think in the US people are just constantly waiting until the enemy shoots us. So not enough thought has been put into hand to hand fighting
Indeed, and if the guards can train even a few times before actual fighting, they develope this synergy, you know.
Sort of battle-buddy system I guess.
You should know.
Anyway, I don't presume to tell you what to do, and hope didn't intend to come across so. I bet it will go fine either way, I'mma get some groceries, good luck now and in future ✋🏻
Btw, just wanna tell you that the Sacramento vid was appreciated world over.
So, bash some gommie heads for us, we won't miss it 😉
TWP leadership doesn't want women at the Charlottesville rally? News to me. @Furor_Tuetonicus#4452
To me as well.
>We don't want to shoot first. It makes us look weak as well it will make it hard to get an rally permits in the future. Just bad propaganda.
This is gonna sound FBI but I can't see how that would be bad propaganda. All previous examples of anti communist violence have gained nothing but praise. Everyone would cheer it. I sure would. Especially if to defend innocent people.
Disclaimer to feds: Not an incitement to violence but yeah.
Like, if people have ever heard of TWP here, it's because of Sacramento massacre.
And we love it.
Theres a woman organizing it.. Will she not be present?
I can only assume without getting frustrating at the whole thing once again that those women don't count
Looks like I need to make a power play to head the movement 😎
Erika is horrible
I havent slept yet 😔
I honestly do not know. I will try to get some sleep. Night.
I was wondering what is the best source of information for the odinism religion?
I met some people from the Asatru folk assembly in my area
I was reading in the book Nature's eternal religion that christianity has not been good for our people
Can I suggest Esoteric Hitlerism?
thanks Ill check it out
Here's almost everything you could ask for. I suggest reading "The Lightning and the Sun" first.
Esoteric Hitlerism. 🙋🏼
I am into slavic pagan reconstructionalism but not odinism really.
I'm interested in the topic though.
So what are you into, Circle of Veles, Book of Veles, etc?
I know a guy who knows Veleslav IRL.
Ive read the translated book of veles but its been a while. Also into slavic mythos and gods in general.
so the pagan religions come in different forms, what is the most common?
Plenty. I base most of mine off of ethnic heritage
Yeah, slavic pagans are a very homogeneous group, not two share exact same beliefs. A lot of variation. Some have their own volkhvs with their own faith systems, some follow the book of veles, some something in between, some worship Cherno/Belobog alone, some some others...
I don't think you choose paganism based on popularity but your ethnic heritage, slavs would worship slavic gods, germanics germanic gods, ugrics ugric gods, so forth.
I keep images of mokosh around. Slavic fertility deity. More into the feminine aspect of it.
my girl is slavic
What are you?
I'm from South Africa
I guess germanic then unless you're like a banthu.
english, dutch, german
Yeah, 100% Germanic.
I am Croatian, Italian, French and 1/4th Jap.
I know Frisians have their own Gods, I know a bunch of Wraldaists, but otherwise they share the same Germanic pantheon.
I think another good think to mention as far as paganism goes is that for the most part a lot of different pantheons match up with each other.
I met some people from the Asatru folk assembly, they have meetups
Exactly, that's one of the points of Esoteric Hitlerism, we're connected on a deeper level, really when you go deep back enough, all our faiths are same, and the confusion is only caused by the corruption of the blood memory as said in Bhagavad Gita.
Alll the way back to sumeria
There is fundamental truths there. There is with Christianity as well.
so what is the best information source?
Lemminkäinen of Finnic pagans is very similar to Baldur, and Väinämöinen is similar to the leaving/returning king of virtually all white faiths, like the Sleeping Host of the Poles for example. Despite of us not even being Germanic.
All Aryans are connected in both blood and spirit.
Yep. Were awakening as well.
Sorry this is giving me the feels.
Nah, I've heard many people say exactly the same thing, even in here, it's nothing but great.
Faith is important
It is indeed..
because it effects your thinking and way of life
I think it effects everything. Faith gives you a higher purpose but it also brings families and comrades together.
Sagas would be a good start for anyone interested in germanic paganism, I've read them even though I'm not pagan or germanic, Oera Linda book if you're interested in Dutch paganism. For most original faiths there isn't one big tome like for Abrahamics.
You might also like Survive the Jive. Tons of content about the topic.
Oh yeah, totally.
And Dharma Nation if you get into Esoteric Hitlerism.
I've got just one great Survive the Jive vid in mind.
Last few minutes of StJ vid are not so interesting Trump talk but otherwise 10/10 vid.
Basically anything by Dharma Nation is recommended.
I'm even in the same discord with him, small world, truly.
TWP Discord: Anything but christianity
Are most comrades pagan or Orthodox christian?
Most people I've talked to here are Esoteric Hitlerites lol. Like Matts and Cracker are the only orthococks
For sure I am, DD is, My Name is Hate as well and Alt Celt and Tristan and someone else too.
I'm considering actually going to our local orthodox church to see if it might be a good fit. I'm interested at least.
I have some orthodox relatives but never been so into it.
its good that we all get along in our organization despite the differences
my girl and I go an orthodox church, but we also have been to asatru folk assembly events
thanks for the info sources
Here's Eddas btw
Sacred Texts is a pretty basic bitch site in the sense its apolitical but it's got tons of great material, can't complain about that. ST in addition with Antimony Group archive (Laraj.ca) and you're off to a really great start.
In real life a good number of comrades are Christians and Pagans. The Hitlerites are the ones that hangout online the most.
Faith in God should be natural to all right-wingers. Communists are so weak because they are spiritually dead
@dd✳555 Across the atlantic people are mostly atheistic, a few pagans, certainly don't know any christians. In next meet we'll have a dozen EHs, maybe we can have some sort of ritual, first of a kind. Will be dope.
TWP isnt running the show here. Its kessler and identity europas event. TWP doesnt want our women there.
As traditionalists men do the fighting. Aside from the facts ive stated regarding why women are harmful in any physical confrontation and break unit cohesion between the men.
In Olympia the 2015 rally where the skinheads actually lost to antifa for once it was because someone brought their girlfriend and everyone ran to make sure she was safe and then antifa gave chase, and a beating. I'm friends with the guy jascha manny who ran that rally
And these were all fighting hammerskins, not memers who will make up most of cville for our side
Of course, women don't belong in the fighting ranks. That would be silly. Which region are you in charge of? Of course if I receive orders not to be there from my regional authority or above, I'll stay away.
The rally is all fighting ranks whether people realize it or not. I'm the TN major. When heimbach gets off of work he will verify what I said. His life has been hectic so he may not have gotten the memo to everyone yet
Its fine for women to be at all the other events but not lee park
Both league of the South and twp wont have our women there. IE will.
I'm just curious, from purely theoretical point, and not dissing anyone's organizational skills, but wouldn't it be easy to prevent by just telling people...not to do that? *Especially* if it's a stationary rally.
Not to do what?
The different groups are not on the same page
Not to rush to slay the first suicidal antifa as a huge ball of people.
There was even disagreement over firearms
Yeah no shit
But people dont listen
Well, I guess this is the inherent flaw of the big tent, cannot be helped.
And we can and will be attacked from all sides
Hitler said something about cripples and gladiators.
Anyway, fun talking, I'mma grab groceries.
Ok, @Furor_Tuetonicus and I know each other, and I agree with his statements here.
Just out of curiosity as an after thought is there or does anyone know of a place the ladoes can stay back at if they still want to go to charlottesville but dont want to be in the chaos during the rally?
I'll let you know.
Yes there will be many events across the two days. Many of which are meant for family, women and a nice peaceful time
Yeah I am open to other options. Just wanting to figure it out if possible.
Let's go on the C'ville Discord and talk to the other women, then.
I'd rather be making sandwiches and listening to my audiobook of Mein Kampf for the 128th time than getting my good looks messed up by a bike lock. 😉
As long as I can still meet up with comrades afterwards or at a different place I'm happy.
Just don't listen to their shieldmaiden nonsense if they start with it. If they accuse you of being useless, remember they are the selfish ones who will cause many of our fighting men to have to babysit them instead of engage the enemy
In all honestly, with the number of different groups going, and different ideologies, some women there may be out to throw punches or do other dumb stuff which will give tacit permission to Antifa to fight with any of us.
Womens attendance at the non lee park events are both helpful and encouraged.
I'm bummed but I do understand in retrospect.
Women are more emotional yes. Some of them may even try to precipitate things to be "one of the boys"
I guarantee it is better to be bummed than bricked or bottled
I hear ya.
I totally get t. At first @Furor_Tuetonicus your statements came off as slightly aggressive or dismissive to women in the movement. Once I figured out whom I was talking to, I was fine with the whole thing. We' e had this conversation before. Right on.
Ill be wearing a helmet and fully expect to potentially have a brick thrown at me
Even if it hits only the helmet it'll probably fuck up my neck.
A woman it'd probably incapacitate you
Of course. If it's going to be that volatile of a situation, few women have good fighting skills. We'd just be a liability.
Prepare to have your minds blown
Meme magic apparently is 6million percent real
The author of the book wrote another book called "The last President"
@Furor_Tuetonicus Helmets are designed for taking debris so don't worry unless your helmet is a crappy one. And for the info Baseball helmets are crappy ones.
And I have to agree with @Kombat-Unit on that having different groups who want different things is a flaw of big tentism.
Hope your rally go well. Will cheer you on from over here.
I got to feel the presence of the Great One.
Amazing. Where is it?
Actually not far from my home, less than 30 minutes ride. I was spreading propaganda and rock climbing with comrades, visited it as it was kinda along the way.
"Identitatian" but jew-smart, ethnonationalist and use the Schwarze Sonne. Oh come on son...just say nazi.
Joining TWP and others for a banner drop and creating a Nationalist presence at an Indianapolis soccer game.
Apparently Antifa try and run the place usually
When was that thing going down again? Today?
Indy thing is today yea. But back in Chicago there is this as well...
**N I C E**
And yeah, cracker posted some pics of antifas from one soccer game, but unless there's nazi presence, I find it hard to believe there would be any serious, sustained antifa presence, especially as this has not been announced.
Lmao its in Honolulu
Ultra scene is like this, every time left-wing ultras show up, the right wing ultras try to out do them, and so it goes on and on. In the end a huge chunk of people might not even be there fo the game, just to get to show to antifas.
From my understanding they just go and drop banners and today is kind of the Right's first time speaking up, but could be wrongm
Yeah, you're right, that's my point, as the antifas aren't used to actual opposition, there shouldn't be serious antifa presence.
Its some way to use US Sports to my advantage for once in my life lol
I really hope ultra thing takes root in USA, now might be the best opportunity as well, and US feels like such a fertile ground for it.
Is Ultra pertaining to sports-related political gatherings? My knowledge on it isnt high haha
Ultras are basically fanatical sports clubs, that tend to lean either heavily to the left, or heavily to the right. They're not necessarily, and grand majority isn't affiliated with any party or gang, but they might work as extra muscle for some events. Some are in the stadium to enjoy sports, some are there purely to get to one up the antifascists and beat them if they clash, some enjoy both.
One ultra told me that he couldn't care less about politics or leafletting, but if I need some red or nigger skulls cracked, he'd love to do that. I think it sums up the attitude nicely.
Oh nice. I suppose its so hard for me to imagine since sports here create so much room for Poz. I was never really interested in sports, though I had respect for Hockey, Rugby, and soccer. Had a small hockey phase. But have become even further pushed away due to its general uber pushing of Nogs and Latinos to the forefront of what is dominant in our society.
Well.. If I can find that spirit more in my area.. Ill def stick with it lop
Yeah, my interest in sports is limited to hang out with local nazi ultras from time to time.
Sports is same as music for me: Everything is fine, as long as it's got nazis.
I tend to like to throw myself in enemy territory lol growing up and being right wing of some degree or another but going to hardcore shows with nothing but lefties or thugs and knocking people out lmao
You're my soul mate dude lol. I always, always insist on going abroad to get a piece of action with antifascists, the scene is so dead here.
Hell, I even live in the reddest hood in the country, they organize one anarchist fest here annually on my street. There isn't much of a far-left scene in here, no commies due to historical reasons, just anarchists who are concentrated in three neighborhoods across the country, and mine is biggest.
On the plus side, it's lily white, I have seen like three to five nonwhites in three years. Just a ton of junkies.
Found a pic of my 18 year old self lol
Around this time I weighed about 225 and I benched 225x12.
Kombat what country are you in. I am guessing Norway or Denmark