Fact is whenever developed countries have their health care systems measured for cost effectiveness the US is always behind countries that have more robust socialized systems. And yeah, our socialized systems need improvement, but I think they help the people

except our healthcare is of similar quality hmm I wonder why that is. Maybe it's because the US develops the large majority of medical necessities and makes the most modern breakthrough and puts the most into research. And in order to make up for that more needs to be charged at the reception

nobody thinks

CANADA ROCKS, canada fucking sucks

all other countries benefit from the US

Medically

Militarily

Economically

And then says the US needs to be more like them because of statistics that say the US is behind because of its efforts to make everyone else ina better position

read up

go talk to a biotechnology teacher for a highschool

they know more than you could fathom about this shit

don't tell me to read up, you're just bringing up random points that are true as though I'm not aware of them

they all relate to this

dude I literally just graduated in bioengineering... I know a good amount about the current medical system

good for you, you still dont

and all of this relates because socialized systems are great when you have the biggest power in the world as your big brother

that's really cool that you have come to that conclusion without citing any evidence, while I've been the one sending you studies and articles

not when you are the big brother to support everybody

it's a spectrum of socialized systems

I'm arguing for a movement in one direction

and that direction is to fuck over our current system even more

nah that's not what I want

that's you saying that that's what I want

thats not what im saying

I'm saying socializing our system to the degree of others, would cripple it

if done incorrectly

we expend so much to develop things for the medical world

that statement is too vague to be true

that socializing it would fuck it up

and you know its true

mr bioengineering

no, I don't, because it's an icnredibly vague statement

how much does the us spend to develop new medical techs?

that says nothing about what socializing changes you would make

robotics

for example

how much do private industries spend on rnd?

billions

and they have the money to do so

fucktons

mhmm

a socialized system doesnt

on anything

I'm not talking about socializing private biotech firms...

that's a wildly different topic

no just the medical system in a vague sense

touche

you're being vague!

get the fuck out of here

for a bioengineering student you dont seem to understand anything about the economic side of this

you keep saying that

with little evidence

you dont say anything about it

just saying it doesn't make it true

neither do you

we're talking about abstractions about a complicated topic

well then I repeat my sources

Steven crowder

Fox News

Info Wars

saying a name doesn't make you more knowledgeable

Prager U

lmao ok nvm

you listen to Prager U

as I said, you know enough

I know as much as I know

but not enough to question

and yes

a bit

I don't know how much you know

and you don't know how much I know

because we're actual strangers on the internet

having like, our second conversation

get off that high horse

High horse

you're talking about making medicine in the US like it is to our femboy neighbors to the north

no shut up

Haha yeah?

one minute

let me explain

ok explain

I like it when you tell me to shut up

I was a medic in afghanistan for the English army, I know how socialized medicine works, you are paid either way to do your job. why work as hard as possible? It's like communism, you're paid as much as your foreman, why work harder? The only reason medics work is because they have a relationship with a group, and are inclined to keep them alive lest their lives go down the drain too. Doctors in Canada love to just fuck you over. It keeps them getting paid, and does as little as possible to help the patient because why do it all at once? They don't know this poor sap. And even then, tell me what socialized healthcare system works? actually works?

Go find some crack, because you're gonna need it to rationalize any socialized healthcare system

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/the-16-countries-with-the-worlds-best-healthcare-systems-2017-1/

many of these countries have socialized healthcare

Where is your evidence that doctors in canada love to fuck people over?

I just gave you evidence that socialized systems work

your turn

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html here's another explanation. Again, lots of socialized systems

you gave me a biased list of countries that have socialized healthcare and are heavily supported by other countries

where is the imperical evidence then?

if there is so much

why just lists from biased sources?

ok, let me try to find a source you will accept

https://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6 business insider?

also shove right off with that business insider top ten list bullshit

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_en.pdf world health organization?

this isnt watchmojo