> Hickson’s work is not alone in that collection, but it certainly stands out for its spectacular inaccuracy and the high degree of hubris it displays. Today’s, Hickson’s view (and his prideful certainty) that the earth is quite close to the sun, is considered almost laughable. Indeed, it may even sit aside other erroneous theories such as that old view that the earth is flat. However, what makes Hickson’s views more easily criticized is that he was working in a time with access to more data and better scientific equipment to avoid such erroneous conclusions. Further, Hickson was indeed overly prideful when he wrote his work and it makes his own inaccuracy all the much more ironic. He had proclaimed that his work would dethrone the great ‘kings’ of the field. However, their reigns were left solidly in tact and rather than sitting atop his own throne, he is considered to have no relevance in the field (aside from being a footnote example of faulty findings).

> As a modern reader, with sometimes limited time, you may wonder if you should put forth the effort to read Kings Dethroned. In many cases, yes you should make the time. The book is iconic for putting forth erroneous information and it does highlight the hubris of a man who thought he had it all figured out. If you are in the field of science, why not read a book that will broaden your understanding for the field and the scope of its history. Hickson’s work should not just be a footnote of inaccuracy, it should be considered as a work that does have a place in the history of the development of the field of astronomy. When you read the book King’s Dethroned, you may find yourself sometimes feeling astonished at Hickson’s thought processes, conclusions, and written statements. Read it as a bit of scientific history. Read it as a source of entertainment. Read it so you have some fun trivia to share at parties. Finally, read it as a warning against exercising any similar levels of hubris in your own scientific work.

It is not surprising that flat earthers consider Gerrard Hickson, the overconfident, arrogant, blundering idiot that he was, to be their godfather.

Im sorry, i missed any of the evidence in that monologue

Evidence of what?

You posted a video.

I addressed the video.

You gave me a personal attack, then linked to a debunked book.

Now you ask me for evidence of some kind.

I posted a friends debate stream because i was being nice

Perhaps you need to learn how to communicate.

A friend?

I suppose it doesn't matter which one was your friend.

But I was under the impression that you wanted folks to see the content of said stream, then comment and discuss it.

Was I mistaken?

Ahh yes that video. It presented evidence. Did you watch it?

https://youtu.be/BwCMj5Yiqtg

Given the fact that I commented on the first 25 minutes of the video, then transcribed at least several additional minutes of the video, that would indeed be evidence that I watched at least 30+ minutes of the video.

Did you miss the part where I typed words here?

or did you simply launch into your personal attack without even reading what I had written?

Your tone is so disgruntled i probably missed it.

My apologies. Nearly all of my above posts from just a few minutes ago only apply to the video between Sean G and Travis.

Regarding the video you originally posted and just reposted a few minutes ago, I have only skipped through it , watching approximately 2-3 minutes of it so far.

I have still only been able to view a few minutes of this above video between minutes 1 through 6.

So far, pointing out that a test might have been flawed would only prove that a test might have been flawed.

Regarding the power line masts going across Lake Pontchartrain:
(the pic below is an animated gif.)

👆 CGI rendering of the power line masts that follow the curvature of the earth, over the top of a picture taken.

Looks like a damn near perfect example of proof of earth's curvature.

Here is a pretty good earth curvature calculator, in case you didn't see it already:

https://physicsstuff.000webhostapp.com/

(enable Java and click ENGLISH, unless you also write Cyrillic)

I have no idea what that helicopter disappearing below the horizon business is all about, and I'm not going to dissect it. I don't consider much of anything coming from the Discovery Channel to not include some percentage of bullshit, either accidentally or intentionally.

Next, how difficult can it be to find 24 hour time-lapse footage of the sun never going down in Antarctica?

False premise comes to mind.

Instead of using broken time-lapse footage of Antarctica, claiming that because the footage is broken, that means the sun must go down, why not just find unbroken footage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKhvQbHX4jk

That took me less than 30 seconds to find that video, and less than 4 minutes to witness at least two full 24 hour, unbroken turns of the sun. The sun doesn't go down in Antarctica, during parts of the year.

On the other side of the globe, in Alaska's northernmost village, Barrow, far above the Arctic Circle, the sun doesn't set for 84 days.

Also notice that the shadows in the Antarctica Midnight Sun 24-Hour Time Lapse video are all very long or very, very long.

Lastly, using a Netflix movie from 2013 as proof that the sun doesn't go down, based solely on their choice of when to splice the loop is a problem.

**SEVEN YEARS** it took you to find that bad splice video and now claim it as bullet-proof evidence of something other than a clip from a movie.

Then an additional time lapse video from 2015 was used that had text overlays for North, West, South, and East. The starburst effect was perhaps dressed up, but the watch was clearly not fake. Besides the text and starburst overlay, you can't prove a damn thing was fake in that video.

Why didn't you also include the part at the end of this 2015 original video that shows the secondary time lapse camera capturing time lapse pictures of the primary time lapse camera following the sun automatically and snapping photos to create the original video with? Quite telling that it's left out, isn't it? The wrist watch is clearly visible spinning around in front of the primary camera, even though the deceptive narrator **CLEARLY** says that _"the wrist watch is a computer graphic"_.

How about this: Since I'm 100% certain that the creator of the Globebusters YouTube video you posted **KNEW** about the evidence that he conveniently left out at the end of that 2015 video, he has completely discredited himself, and thusly, the entire video. In for a penny, in for a pound, eh? Don't lie honest people and they won't know you as a liar.

👇 Below is the 2015 video that your boy conveniently left out the footage of the secondary camera filming the primary one, with the wrist watch in clear view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgZa9oZDN5g

>
> In the summer time at Scott Base the sun is above the horizon for 4 months, from roughly the end of the third week of October until the end of the third week of February. This shows the movement of the sun over a full 24 hour period near the peak of summer.
> https://www.AntarcticImages.com/
>
> Camera was set to take a photo once every one minute and one second (so that the second hand would be moving) should have made it 1min and 2 secs so the send hand would move faster than the minute hand in retrospect. ISO 100, 100th sec exposure. Lens was set on f22 to get enough depth of field to have the watch and horizon both in focus, hence the sun-ray effect. A modified Orion equatorial telescope mount was used to track the sun. Camera and tracking powered by solar panel and batteries.
> To see what the sun does at the actual South Pole, check out this video by Robert Schwarz: https://vimeo.com/208466944
>
> P.S. Flat Earth people, you are very entertaining with your comments. My challenge to you: put your money where your mouth is and book a cruise ship holiday to Antarctica below the Antarctic circle to prove the video wrong. I'll even reimburse the cost of your trip if you can prove the sun does not do this as shown in this video... Edit: Years later, cue sound of crickets, despite 40,000 tourists and thousands of researchers and workers going to Antarctica every year, no one has taken me up on this offer.

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It's funny as hell, because only after posting the text 👆 under the 2015 video on YouTube did I just now read the post script, calling out the Flat Earth people with the entertaining comments. Bold for emphasis absolutely fucking added:
> Flat Earth people, you are very entertaining with your comments. My challenge to you: put your money where your mouth is and book a cruise ship holiday to Antarctica below the Antarctic circle to prove the video wrong. **I'll even reimburse the cost of your trip if you can prove the sun does not do this as shown in this video... Edit: Years later, cue sound of crickets, despite 40,000 tourists and thousands of researchers and workers going to Antarctica every year, no one has taken me up on this offer.**

I few more nails in the coffin of that idiotic Globebusters flat earth "proof" video.

👆 If you didn't clearly see it already at the end of the original 2015 video, there is a video snippet of the watch rotating with the primary camera that's on the tripod, making that time lapse video.

👆 The top segment in the above picture is a screen shot (from the original 2015 video) of the wrist watch that the Globebuster idiot says is purely CGI fakery and doesn't exist. The middle and bottom segments of that above picture are screen shots of that same **REAL** wrist watch that is clearly visible at the end of the original 2015 video, recorded by the secondary camera, which the Globebuster swindler conveniently leaves out of his deceptive video.

Quotes in no particular order, from the Globebuster fraudster narrator:
> _"There are people out there pretending to be objective, but are actually lying, and trying to deceive you."_
> _"Why would they go to this much effort to fake something that should be easily filmed."_
> _"The coincidences are a bit strange, aren't they?"_
> _"If you have any love of the truth, that should really bother you."_
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And last, but not at all least:
> _"I figured that a peaceful, Socratic debate was the ideal way to discover the truth."_

The fraudster's _"debate"_ is neither Socratic, nor truthful, as can clearly be seen by anyone.

According to Merriam-Webster, **Definition of Socratic:** of or relating to Socrates, his followers, or his philosophical method of systematic doubt and questioning of another to elicit a clear expression of a truth supposed to be knowable by all rational beings.

If pushing the flat earth agenda weren't so devious, it would be quite a laugh, wouldn't it?

Here's a quote of my own:
"Globebusters are nothing more than fanatical fraudsters, who, perhaps because of a lack of honestly-earned validation within their own lives, attempt to force their untrustworthy, dishonest, deceiving, and downright unscrupulous ideas onto anyone ignorant enough to fall prey to their cunning devilry."

Another insightful comment that I just stumbled upon, regarding what someone else had to say about a flat earther calling himself Jeran (who is also mentioned numerous times in the video Riggs posted):
> _"While sometimes [flat earthers] eat crow, they are dishonest to the bones, act as wolves in sheepskin not having the least problem to lie and deceive and turn against you when it is to their advantage. (Rereading that passage I think it's unfair to wolves using that idiom, as wolves probably are social creatures and the FE galleons figures surely aren't.)"_

Circling back just once before I crash out for the night, 👇 below is the full Discovery Channel Crushes Flat Earthers video. Everyone can see the whole thing for themselves. At worst, it was a stupid editing decision, most likely made because a boat motored right through the shot (also seen within the video). It's not a conspiracy to keep hidden the secret knowledge that the earth is flat. Also, why the hell did Globebusters not include the segment about the laser, nor any of the other helicopter footage? Another quite conveniently left out portion of the video that would have been yet another knock out punch to the chin of flat earthers around the globe.
https://www.facebook.com/The.Dutch.Atheist/videos/1029905913850599/

Check it out, live video from the ISS.
https://youtu.be/EEIk7gwjgIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYZMJL5aBc

(reposting, because it's good)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGZcBdarJ8E&list=PLRNnrPhPyhJD8Iz8hWXasyqEYgjNCB6jR&index=4

🤣

okay, here we go

I just have this junk video 👆 playing in the background, as I am finishing a few things at work.

First ~5 mins of the video is junk intro.

(phone call...brb in a bit)

back to the video...

Now it looks like some crazed-killer looking guy seems to be doing a comedy routine, while some September 11th footage of the Twin Towers are burning, and some other guy is asking someone to swear on a bible that he walked on the moon, in exchange for $5,000 cash.

Apparently planes crashing into the WTC and a guy refusing to swear on the bible proves the earth is flat.

Now the comedian is saying that the moon landing is fake, **WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO BACK HIM UP**.

A few vomit comet shots that prove how freefall/gravity works.

Truman show clip; psycho killer-looking comedian again; some guy saying that a picture mosaic of earth is fake, because it's not one single picture. (a picture or two is dissected, even though the viewer has no idea what the source of the picture is)

Now comes the ice wall BS, along with some clips from the Simpsons, The Matrix, and a few TV shows.

_"I saw it in a movie and on TV, therefore it must be true."_

Now one of the many flat earth models.

Completely phucking laughable.

Earth is shaped like a burrito

I can prove it

🤣

👆 how does sunlight travel varying distances?

As in, why would sunlight be able to travel farther to the bottom portion of that model, but not that same distance across that red line where night begins?

(flat earthers cannot even agree on a single model)

(and not one single model can solve more than 1 problem at a time...in other words, flat earth needs a new model for every problem that cannot be solved on the previous models, which in turn breaks all previous solutions that previous flat earth models solved)

Now a mag-lev demonstration at a science convention shows...something having to do with something else.

This video is painful to watch.

"They want you to think that the stars and sun are really far away..."

oh boy

Now some connection to flat earth being pro-God and globe earth being atheist---more bullshit

I studied as a kid..I could be wrong..But Light doesnt stop traveling. And the stars could be dead as in the light as out.. but the light is still shining from traveling threw space.

Flat earth theory is interesting though. I will check out the links and talk debate about it

The rest of this video isn't worth watching

heck, the entire video isn't worth watching

lol

anyway...dinner time!

oh, one last thing I recall from that bunk video was the assertion that the tilt of the earth is 23.4 degrees, and since that makes the complimentary angle 66.6 degrees, then earth is flat.

First of all, the tilt of the earth varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.

This variation is calculated to be over a 40,000 year time period.