But I missed the first hour of this, apparently.

It is difficult to believe that in 2020, folks are still debating this.

The female host of that stream just said, "Space is fake."

lmao

Perhaps she needs to choose her words more wisely.

I just hit replay on that above video that Riggs posted. It took them 25 minute to reach **ANY** content whatsoever that pertained to the title of this video. This is a complete shitshow.

Travis (the white guy) is a total jackass.

He doesn't even know the definition of density or weight.

Travis simply likes to hear himself talk. He wants to sound important.

He's not a thinker; he's a bullshit artist.

> Sean G (the black guy): _Travis, what is weight?_
> Travis (the white guy): _If a grain of rice is put onto a scale, it won't register._
> Sean G: _What causes a scale tell you your weight?_
> Travis: _The springs in the scale._

> Sean G: _Please tell us how a scale tells us what we weigh._
> Travis: _The mass of my body...consists of bone, plasma, hair...the amount of pressure that I place on that scale is going to register 210 pounds._
> Sean G: _In what direction is that pressure in?_
> Travis: _At the point of contact._
> Sean G: _In what direction?_
> Travis: :::yelling::: _AT THE POINT OF CONTACT!_
> Sean G: _The point of contact is not a direction, it is a location._
> Sean G: _In what direction?_
> Travis: _It's, it's, it's...if you...ahhh_
> Sean G: _If you put a scale on top of your head, what happens?_
> Travis: :::deflects, studders, mumbles:::
> Sean G: _If you take where your feet normally go, and put that spot on top of your head, and that scale registers numbers, what is that scale weighing?_
> Travis: _However much that scale weighs at that point of pressure._
> Sean G: _So what direction is the pressure, when you stand on a scale?_
> Travis: _Okay, whatever...at that point, it's above my head..._
> Sean G: _What direction does that scale register a weight?_
> Travis: _Below my feet._
> Sean G: _What direction does that scale register a weight?_
> Travis: _If you want me to say down, it's down._
> Sean G: _Thank you._
> Travis: :::yelling::: _IT'S DOWN!....YOU KNOW....UH..._
> Sean G: _Okay. Now we have already established that density doesn't have a vector._
> Travis: _No, we have not established that._

This is painful as hell to watch.

Travis has a room temperature IQ, no doubt.

OMG...Sean G just asked Travis what weighs more: a 10 pound bag of bricks, or a 10 pound bag of feathers.

Travis did not know the answer.

Okay, I'm stopping watching this complete garbage.

Travis doesn't even know what planet he's on.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/SMIII_Problem7.pdf

@Deleted User

https://youtu.be/BwCMj5Yiqtg

That video gets to the point pretty quick

Flat earthers cannot even agree with each other on a model for a flat earth.

Boats disappear from the bottom up. I have seem this with my own eyes, sailing for weeks on the ocean.

Also, flat earthers have absolutely no legitimate explanation for gravity.

The moon is tidally locked to the earth. If the earth were flat, then why does everyone on earth always see the exact same picture of the moon, when looking at it? If earth were flat, then the pictures of it from different locations on the surface if the earth would also be different.

The voice of this guy talking in the video certainly sounds like that Travis moron from the previous video. He has already proven that he’s completely clueless and only wants to be argumentative.

Not a single flat earth model can predict or explain a solar or lunar eclipse.

No flat earth model can explain tides.

No flat earth model can explain known distances between cities on a map.

No flat earth model can explain why the sun doesn’t go down in the arctic, during some months of the year.

No flat earth model can explain seasons.

No flat earth model can explain satellites in orbit above earth.

No flat earth model can explain how GPS works.

Eratosthenes figured out that earth was round 2,000 years ago.

👆 It can be proven by simply using more than two locations, which flat earth cannot explain.

Is there a #SpaceIsFake chat

While standing within the Northern Hemisphere, the stars rotate a different direction than they do when standing within the Southern Hemisphere.

Also, I'm not saying the earth is flat, but most flat earth people are more about not trusting the elites because they lie quite a lot, at least this is what friends of mine in the Flat Earth movement have told me

One must not retard their intellect, in order to question something.

Yes this is true, but the actual Flat Earth movement started as a meme, like the Birds Are Fake movement

But then it developed into morons congregating

There are two kinds of flat earthers: the ones that sell the tee-shirts, and the ones that buy them.

So tell me who has an agenda.

Tell me who is lying.

I would buy a flat earth tee shirt, that's hilarious

Tell me who is manipulating whom.

You mean on a broader level or a more narrow level?

Any level.

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking to be honest

If you're asking about manipulation I can tell you that the government lies about most things

Those that push the flat earth agenda are either part of those wishing to manipulate, or are too short-sighted to understand that they are being manipulated.

Governments lie. That is true.

Why would manipulation for the idea of the earth being flat need to occur? Who does that give power to?

It gives power to the manipulators.

But what can they do with that power?

Something like a few people following a crackpot theory about the earth actually being flat

How much power is that, and what can be done with it?

If enough cognitive dissonance can be sewn into the minds of those who refuse or are too dumb to understand, then those minds can be taken over with other crackpot ideas.

I suppose this is true, yes

The minds of the masses will become so muddied with the false ideas that the manipulators have imprinted upon them, that those manipulated persons will cease to be able to make good, intelligent, rational decisions.

And this happens while the manipulators see everything crystal clear.

Yes but

How much power can be taken from a few morons?

The manipulators retain perfect cognitive thought processes, although evil to the core, while those being manipulated completely lose their ability to discern truth from fiction.

It would not be able to sustain a civilization, because a civilization needs intelligence to exist and evolve

A few morons are growing into many.

Flat Earth?

Like I said, many of them just distrust what they are told by the elites

Most of them are not moronic nor actually believe the earth is flat

You underestimate the minimal amount of morons required to be turned loose in the world , before the consequences are seen.

What consequences would that create?

That paves the way for civilization to go backwards.

Also, it does not matter if someone believes if the earth is flat, if that is the agenda they are pushing.

But in a way many conspiracy theories can be seen like this and none of them have had such consequences

For example I'm of the mind that that 9/11 was some kind of inside job

This is not about one or two manipulations occurring, it is 10,000 of them happening all at once.

There are those that wish to bring chaos into every aspect of your life.

Flat earth is only one pathway into the mind of those that either wish to join the manipulation, or those too stupid (not too ignorant, as ignorance can be cured with knowledge) to see the truth and therefore recognize the manipulation.

Things like YouTube act as a huge magnification lens. Those that wish to be manipulated get manipulated much, MUCH easier via YouTube.

Those that wish to seek knowledge do indeed find more knowledge than they could ever take in within their entire lifetime.

The problem is that many people do not have discernment.

Not only discernment to tell fact from fiction, but also discernment to take into consideration what impact these things do or do not have in their lives.

People become completely consumed with topics or ideas where either outcome should have very little to no impact on their lives.

And yet they allow their lives to be destroyed by it.

Now add 9,999 more of these manipulations to their situation.

There are live video feeds from space that show that the earth is a sphere, yet people don’t believe it.

There are endless calculations that have been done for 2,000 years, proving that the earth is a sphere.

Yet some jackass with a YouTube channel and tee shirts for sale can convince millions of people around the world that the earth is flat, **WITHOUT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE**.

The devil is truly at work.

That’s what this all boils down to.

You have a lot of anger

Might wanna look into that first

Just forget all the YouTube stuff. Start here

https://archive.org/details/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich/

Flat earth isnt a youtube-centric thing

It's literally the original cosmology

It's the wheel of cosmologies

_A lot of anger_, eh? Is that your ‘professional’ opinion, @Rigg5? I'm stumped as to how you could come to that conclusion. I've reread all of my own postings, since you posted that Sean G vs. Travis debate video (yes, I quoted your posting of it in <#627030086964740096>, then I moved it here). I see no indication of anger from me whatsoever. Did you perhaps read what I posted while unintentionally still having an unnecessary e-rage filter installed on your input channel? Perhaps your inputs need a bit of cleaning or other maintenance, or perhaps they were simply mis-calibrated. Perhaps you simply don't know what anger is.

My replies are still up there 👆 , so please feel free to go read them again without the e-rage input filter installed. I mean, unless you also go by the name Travis and have a penchant for guys named Sean G. to make you look like an imbecile on live YouTube streams, then there should be no reason for a third party to make any strange leap in the direction that you have. In the event that you are Travis, please just go ahead and confirm it for me now. I'm confident that you'll be better off in the end.

Continuing to set the chat about earth aside for just another brief moment, why are you trying to cast a certain shade of light onto me, with this obviously false accusation of anger that you've made? I find it very interesting that you choose a personal offensive attack against me, rather than a discussion about the topic at hand. Why did you not initially choose instead to support or deny my statements about a flat earth model being incapable of explaining the many line items that I listed right off the top of my head? Are you Travis?

Now, regarding the link you posted of Hickson's _Kings dethroned_ book, perhaps you didn't know that this book has been entirely debunked. (Or perhaps you did know, but you were hoping that I did not…) The content within this book was considered so spectacularly wrong, that in 1989 it was classified by the archivists at MIT as a member of their "Nut Collection". In case you’re wondering what that means, it is a loving term for useless research that has absolutely **NO BEARING** on the scientific community.

Maybe the archivists at MIT have _a lot of anger that they might want to look into_, too.