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Cecil OK @PF-981399

This is what I have so far

We will be driving 24' box trucks loaded w approximately 9,000 to 12,000 lbs of our friends in the back. Accelerating, braking, and turning need to be done with this in mind.

Acceleration should be gradual and steady. No sudden jumps of RPMs should be necessary. While we must maintain some conformity to the traffic pattern and speed, there is no need for moving faster than absolutely necessary.
Sudden bursts of acceleration are not only going to do throw everyone in the back around, it also impedes the vehicles ability to smoothly shift gears as we gain speed.

Braking and deceleration should also be gradual and steady. It is imperative that we maintain a healthy distance from the vehicles in front of us so that we can anticipate any events we may not be able to see. There may be situations where we are required to quickly brake, but we should be mindful of our passengers.
Because of the weight of the passengers it will take longer to brake than it will with an empty truck. This should play into the distance we allow ourselves to decelerate and then brake. There is absolutely no reason to hold your foot on the gas and race to the point in which you have to apply the brakes. Let your foot off the gas early, allow the vehicle to lose some speed, and smoothly apply the brakes as needed.
At 55 MPH it will take about 6 seconds to stop a truck and the truck will have traveled about 512 feet.

Turning is possibly a very dangerous situation if the vehicle is moving too fast to make the curve. We will be top heavy. And depending on the make and model of the vehicle it could be very top heavy. For example Penske trucks have a higher box compared to Uhaul trucks.
Common sense may play into how much we need to brake when taking turns and curves, however there are usually signs along the road with recommended speeds in black on yellow. This is not a suggestion. DO NOT EXCEED THE SPEED STATED.
When coming to a turn, decelerate by letting your foot off the gas well before you know you will have to brake, gradually apply the brakes and bring your self down to the proper speed before the turn, and lightly accelerate through the turn to maintain speed. We should be traveling at the proper speed before the turn begins.
While turning on city streets use your mirrors to ensure you are not cutting them to close.

We should be looking 12-15 seconds ahead. This is about a city block in town and on the hiway about a quarter mile. We should all be able to determine how far a quarter mile is with a few quick jogs down the road if you are not familiar.

Mirrors should be checked and adjusted before departure.

Blinkers should be used well in advance of any turn.

Hazards should be used in the event we need to pull over.

When you see a bump coming up that you need to brake for but have too little time to reduce your speed as needed, it is better to eat the bump and bounce a little than it is to slam on the brakes and bounce our passengers around a lot.

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*take a corner

Thomas @thomas

I can definitely help format that and make some diagrams.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Thanks. Im not great with grammar. Any edits are welcomed for sure.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Ryan's additions

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Pre trip inspection
It is important to check several key elements of your vehicle before even climbing into the cab. Some may require a second set of eyes to check, while you are behind the wheel.
Turn signals: front d/s, rear d/s, front p/s, rear p/s
Brake lights: rear d/s, rear p/s
Headlights: front
Horn

Check to ensure mirrors are not damaged, and a license plate is present (we were pulled over in Chicago 7/20 because there was no license plate on the truck)

The moral of the story here is give them NO EXCUSE to pull us over - they will be looking for one

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Your notes say 24’ box truck, those are very rare so I’m guessing it’s 26’

Turning- a truck of this side turns very widely. Ensure you have the room to do so before trying and WATCH your mirrors for the swing of the box

Thomas @thomas

26, yes.

Thomas @thomas

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Cecil OK @PF-981399

I know you have a pile on your plate, but would you like to edit those pics or the words or should I

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Should I edit what I can and post as is I mean. Working off my phone so its difficult

Thomas @thomas

I was away for the Thanksgiving drilling meeting, I can get the notes formatted.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Okay rad. If you need me to do anything else just let me know

Thomas @thomas

Roger that.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

I have an opportunity to do a meeting/ call around 8pm central Friday night for the pool party. I assume we will still be on the road. 45 min. Its mainly me listening and taking notes. Would this be doable with our schedule? If not its not a big deal. Just rsvping w them

Thomas @thomas

Security protocols dictate that phones are to be deactivated outside of necessity, and during that evening we'll be busy briefing people and getting camp set up. I also can't guarantee good cell service.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Okay cool. I'll let them know and reschedule. The tooic may be useful to you as well. But I'll go over that when I see you. A handful of PF guys are also in this thing so you might have already heard.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Topic*

Cecil OK @PF-981399

I trust your judgment but this dude makes me nervous man.

Thomas @thomas

What else would there be to do?

Cecil OK @PF-981399

When you guys cut ties did he makes any threats or anything?

Thomas @thomas

Negative.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Alright. Ill hold tight. Thanks man

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Cecil OK @PF-981399

Im sure youre aware, but there are tons of rumors floating around in the pool parties about Carl CA/Kurt. Without specifics is he a bad guy/infiltrator type? He is currently trying to be vetted for a pool party and somehow involved w the kulaks. So far no one has said either way, but its causing rumors to fly all around. I understand if this is a shut case, just trying to get some answers

Thomas @thomas

Roger that. Let me get back to you.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Thanks

Thomas @thomas

We currently have no definitive evidence to state that he is a security threat.

However, this should not cause any other groups to lower standard security procedure.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Heard. Much appreciated.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

With respect to whatever is happening, opsec, and such, is there anything I could give them relating to why he was/is suspected? Im trying to avoid stepping out of line by asking, but there are some guys that are pretty upset and nervous about the situation

Thomas @thomas

Who is upset in particular, and what exactly have they heard about what is or was suspected?

Cecil OK @PF-981399

A pool party leader in FL came forward with word that Carl CA/Kurt (threema handle) was suspected of infiltrating on behalf of antifa, which he was tipped off by the ND in FL, which I believe is Lawrence FL. As things like this always seem to do, it spiraled into a dozen of different guys suspecting the worst and running wild w it. A guy named Ambrose is probably the most upset about not knowing specific things, which to me doesnt make sense as it doesnt really have much to do with him specifically. There are a few others tagging in w him so to speak. But as for specifics on what they know, they are the first to say they know nothing. And Im also unaware of anything. Which I think frustrates them as they feel justified in knowing whatever is going on. Whether or not thats justified needs no comment from me, but I dont see why they are as upset as they are. The only info Ive heard was the initial rumor, I spoke to Lawrence and he mentioned you guys were on it. Billy Mercer TX asked me about what I had heard and then said he was told to contact me. My only wish is to make you aware of this situation and avoid any misunderstandings on their part.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

To add, Carl/Kurt had made his way into a chat called Antifa Research which was a sloppy mess all around which started as something that was hosted for the purpose of sharing better opsec practices and quickly fell into everyone and their dog having access. A large majority of us voiced disapproval and jumped ship. The layers of irony in that werent lost on us. Because carl found his way into this chat a few are wound up. Ive pointed out a few times, and just did again, that people in charge of that could do their own research on him on that side of things but Im unaware if even a step in that direction was taken.

Thomas @thomas

Lawrence should not have said anything. The information was not his to share precisely for the reason that it could cause some big hooplah like this. Of course we cannot share the details of ongoing internal investigations with the membership at large, let alone other groups. It risks the investigation and also the reputation of those who may only be temporarily under suspicion.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Totally understand and fully agree. What would you like me to do or say in the meantime

Thomas @thomas

Other than telling them to relax and be vigilant, nothing extreme comes to mind. If either party does find substantial evidence of wrongdoing on Carl's part, I'm sure that info will be made available.

Cecil OK @PF-981399

Cool. Thanks.

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