Message from @Malt_Hitman
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Oh yeah I'm not saying to pigeonhole people or pre-judge people based on their nationality.
No, I think I just jumped to the conclusion you were making.
I'm saying that you can't take it for granted that all people everywhere believe in the same basic philosophy you do.
Some people might legitimately believe there is a role for religion in government, or that families must have the final say in who you marry.
Or that it's OK to exclude people based on inherent characteristics. These notions are very shocking to liberals.
So they patronize them.
I remember that Nacirema from back in high school sociology class.
Part of the reason Islam gets a pass in extreme liberal communities. They don't really believe that some muslims have such views. They think there's a misinterpretation or misunderstanding somewhere, or that they're being tricked or deceived.
That the Muslims are somehow victims for having these beliefs.
An entire religion of victims. That's liberal paydirt.
I think they look at Muslims seeing the Koran the same way that *they* view the Bible.
And some totally do.
That it's just an old book with a bunch of outdated rules.
Had a Kuwaiti roommate once that gave zero fucks. But I think it's a safe bet that the old beliefs are widely held. Shapiro did a video on it.
Anyway, when the fundamentals of the west are being asked to be changed. That we are individuals, that we have rights and responsiblities, that we are all the same under the law, etc. That kind of diversity is not a strength. That's a recipe for chaos.
As we can see being played out...
Paradox of tolerance. We have lost confidence in the idea that our core beliefs with respect to law, governance, epistemology, metaphysics, human nature, etc, are correct.
Yep. There's a bedrock of culture that needs to be shared for people to coexist peacefully.
One thing Tucker pointed out was language.
A big part of diversity is assimilation which is when the people who enter a community leave their bad ideals behind and only bring in good new ones. What is gong on now isn’t that kind of diversity.
Also you can get diversity of thought by visiting other places without needing to import people.
Or via the internet
Like how Tim was saying he goes into conservative spaces.
@Timcast I'm curious, did you think Turcker was talking about Diversity of Thought?
Bringing in people with vastly different beliefs and expecting them to change/become a net positive isn’t always based in reality.
Bringing in is the key phrase
If people can make it in via the normal process, want to join the society etc then I see 0 issues
If they want to join and will change to fit in.
Part of joining a group is adopting some of the practices of the group
If you show up and refuse to participate you haven't really joined anything
There's a big difference between someone willing to work hard and play by the rules and put down something to be included vs. people just being imported without any real sacrifice on their part.
Yes you don’t get to join a group and then force the group to be like you.
(See Islam)
I've said this before, here and elsewhere, but I often find that people who deliberately move here are way more patriotic and defensive of western values than those born here
Because they chose to be here, and worked for it, and because they can see the cultural differences
Whereas a lot of people in the west have gone culture-blind when it comes to their own nation
Depends. If they're second generation in an ethnic enclave they're likely to experience problems.
They don't want to lose what they just worked so hard to get.