Message from @devpav

Discord ID: 490281026849996830


2018-09-14 21:57:06 UTC  

@devpav the Republicans.

2018-09-14 21:57:12 UTC  

Hah.

2018-09-14 21:57:51 UTC  

Muh blue wave?

2018-09-14 21:57:59 UTC  

I actually think the polling is *understating* Democrat performance as it tends not to poorly sample the young. And as someone who works with the young frequently, I can say they're like mindless Reddit zombies who take their marching orders from social media.

2018-09-14 21:58:33 UTC  

The polls consistently oversampled Democrats back in 2016.

2018-09-14 21:58:39 UTC  

They still do.

2018-09-14 21:58:50 UTC  

I get into this argument a lot around here so I don't want to get sidetracked. So we'll agree to leave it at this. You think there's going to be a red wave, I think there's going to be a blue one.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

I think the GOP will gain at least 3 seats in the Senate.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

By any means, the current congress should *really* be looking into this censorship while they still have a chance.

2018-09-14 21:59:19 UTC  

What about the House?

2018-09-14 21:59:28 UTC  

The GOP will hold the House.

2018-09-14 21:59:49 UTC  

I think the GOP will lose the house solidly. Not sure what happens in the Senate.

2018-09-14 22:00:06 UTC  

But again, I think this stuff needs to be taken care of *now*

2018-09-14 22:00:13 UTC  

Regardless of November.

2018-09-14 22:00:45 UTC  

And do vote, I have very strong doubts the Democrats will do anything but frame censorship and destruction of privacy into law.

2018-09-14 22:00:46 UTC  

Anonymity has already been confirmed as a right by the Supreme Court.

2018-09-14 22:01:15 UTC  

...you do know it's usually Republican-nominated judges who limit the rights under 4th, right?

2018-09-14 22:01:32 UTC  

Sure?

2018-09-14 22:01:38 UTC  

Doesn't mean anything about social media.

2018-09-14 22:01:45 UTC  

'Hate speech' has been obliterated by the Supreme Court as a source of legal liability for social media platforms, too.

2018-09-14 22:01:49 UTC  

Remember that whole "unlock the Apple phone" fiasco?

2018-09-14 22:02:06 UTC  

@devpav Has it? Show me the opinion.

2018-09-14 22:02:30 UTC  

They've said that hate speech isn't a valid restriction on speech from the government point of view, but that does leave it open for private entities.

2018-09-14 22:02:37 UTC  

Anyhow, I'm not doing it. They can lock me up.

2018-09-14 22:02:44 UTC  

Don't give a fuck.

2018-09-14 22:02:49 UTC  

Matal v. Tam

2018-09-14 22:02:59 UTC  

"You don't have a right to the platform" is legally correct (if not morally) until the social media platforms become recognized as a public square or common carrier.

2018-09-14 22:03:11 UTC  

Or as a monopoly.

2018-09-14 22:03:31 UTC  

^

2018-09-14 22:03:56 UTC  

Also, Matal v. Tam is government again.

2018-09-14 22:04:03 UTC  

It's the patent office.

2018-09-14 22:04:34 UTC  

The public/private distinction is an area FIRE has to dance around with alot. It's much easier for them to go after Public Universities than Private ones.

2018-09-14 22:04:35 UTC  

It's 1A jurisprudence regarding 'hate speech'.

2018-09-14 22:04:45 UTC  

Doesn't matter for social media platforms.

2018-09-14 22:04:54 UTC  

Atleast legally.

2018-09-14 22:05:15 UTC  

This is why I think it's so key to recognize very large social media platforms as a public square or something similar.

2018-09-14 22:05:32 UTC  

It means there's no CDA 230 exemption for hate speech.

2018-09-14 22:06:20 UTC  

Grenade found a nice video explaining that CDA 230 is somewhat misunderstood. It allows moderation under some kind of terms.

2018-09-14 22:08:07 UTC  

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it all. The wording of the law would suggest some kind of public square situation and would seem to suggest they have to carry political speech neutrally. But, if so, it hasn't worked out in lawsuits. Prager's lawsuit got dismissed pretty quickly and I'm sure he would have looked into it.