Message from @pratel

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2018-09-14 21:57:00 UTC  

I also think the average Republican congressman is hopelessly behind on this stuff. They got outflanked by Obama;s campaign twice and I can see them getting outflanked again.

2018-09-14 21:57:06 UTC  

@devpav the Republicans.

2018-09-14 21:57:12 UTC  

Hah.

2018-09-14 21:57:51 UTC  

Muh blue wave?

2018-09-14 21:57:59 UTC  

I actually think the polling is *understating* Democrat performance as it tends not to poorly sample the young. And as someone who works with the young frequently, I can say they're like mindless Reddit zombies who take their marching orders from social media.

2018-09-14 21:58:33 UTC  

The polls consistently oversampled Democrats back in 2016.

2018-09-14 21:58:39 UTC  

They still do.

2018-09-14 21:58:50 UTC  

I get into this argument a lot around here so I don't want to get sidetracked. So we'll agree to leave it at this. You think there's going to be a red wave, I think there's going to be a blue one.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

I think the GOP will gain at least 3 seats in the Senate.

2018-09-14 21:59:09 UTC  

By any means, the current congress should *really* be looking into this censorship while they still have a chance.

2018-09-14 21:59:19 UTC  

What about the House?

2018-09-14 21:59:28 UTC  

The GOP will hold the House.

2018-09-14 21:59:49 UTC  

I think the GOP will lose the house solidly. Not sure what happens in the Senate.

2018-09-14 22:00:06 UTC  

But again, I think this stuff needs to be taken care of *now*

2018-09-14 22:00:13 UTC  

Regardless of November.

2018-09-14 22:00:45 UTC  

And do vote, I have very strong doubts the Democrats will do anything but frame censorship and destruction of privacy into law.

2018-09-14 22:00:46 UTC  

Anonymity has already been confirmed as a right by the Supreme Court.

2018-09-14 22:01:15 UTC  

...you do know it's usually Republican-nominated judges who limit the rights under 4th, right?

2018-09-14 22:01:32 UTC  

Sure?

2018-09-14 22:01:38 UTC  

Doesn't mean anything about social media.

2018-09-14 22:01:45 UTC  

'Hate speech' has been obliterated by the Supreme Court as a source of legal liability for social media platforms, too.

2018-09-14 22:01:49 UTC  

Remember that whole "unlock the Apple phone" fiasco?

2018-09-14 22:02:06 UTC  

@devpav Has it? Show me the opinion.

2018-09-14 22:02:30 UTC  

They've said that hate speech isn't a valid restriction on speech from the government point of view, but that does leave it open for private entities.

2018-09-14 22:02:37 UTC  

Anyhow, I'm not doing it. They can lock me up.

2018-09-14 22:02:44 UTC  

Don't give a fuck.

2018-09-14 22:02:49 UTC  

Matal v. Tam

2018-09-14 22:02:59 UTC  

"You don't have a right to the platform" is legally correct (if not morally) until the social media platforms become recognized as a public square or common carrier.

2018-09-14 22:03:11 UTC  

Or as a monopoly.

2018-09-14 22:03:31 UTC  

^

2018-09-14 22:03:56 UTC  

Also, Matal v. Tam is government again.

2018-09-14 22:04:03 UTC  

It's the patent office.

2018-09-14 22:04:34 UTC  

The public/private distinction is an area FIRE has to dance around with alot. It's much easier for them to go after Public Universities than Private ones.

2018-09-14 22:04:35 UTC  

It's 1A jurisprudence regarding 'hate speech'.

2018-09-14 22:04:45 UTC  

Doesn't matter for social media platforms.

2018-09-14 22:04:54 UTC  

Atleast legally.

2018-09-14 22:05:15 UTC  

This is why I think it's so key to recognize very large social media platforms as a public square or something similar.

2018-09-14 22:05:32 UTC  

It means there's no CDA 230 exemption for hate speech.

2018-09-14 22:06:20 UTC  

Grenade found a nice video explaining that CDA 230 is somewhat misunderstood. It allows moderation under some kind of terms.