Im arguing from a point which is comfortable and already established by you guys earlier when one of you said Free Markets don't exist so I relaxed the criteria, free markets in a society devoid of any government or regulations

Maybe it'd be easier for you to tell me your understanding of free market

@faultfiction sorry I'm new to the discord and this conversation so I'm just trying to get a handle on your view. My view of a free market is that the consumer has a right to choose between available products and ideas without the interference of a third party. Vendors and creators should also have the right to present products and ideas to the consumer market without being blocked by regulation or competitors operating in a manor expressly designed to prevent competition in the market place.

@faultfiction regulation around safety and fit for purpose regulations I do not see as unnecessary as this ensures a consumer is not endangered financially or bodily.

Please don't tag me, it's quite annoying. Something i learnt also a bit late

Ah sorry. Just trying to ensure the message gets to it's intended target, duly noted.

So the problem I see with your view is that first, you're imposing restrictions in this free market, and second you're creating more regulations which would require an external agency to enforce it. Right?

If say a small company creates better products and services, and it's next door neighbor doesn't but they both decide to become one and cater to a larger market share, isn't that good?

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Two companies deciding to work together in principle is not a problem, it really depends on motivations. If they are working together to reduce costs and this is passed onto the consumer then no its not a problem. If two companies join forces with the sole intent of creating a hostile environment to smaller competitors or the artificially raise prices to a consumer then it is a problem. It also depends on the product, energy companies in the UK for example have in the past all collaborated to raise prices together forcing consumers to pay higher prices for lack of a competitor to move too.

the free market is the ability to bring your product to the market freely, if a monopoly is stopping you, its not a free market

its like free speech... if the gov says "you have free speech and we'll protect it" .. but every time you speak someone punches you in the gut, thats not protecting free speech... the free market has to be protected in the same way

But don't you see that when two companies come together to cater to the larger marketshare with their recources combined, it makes it easier for them to sell products and services for cheaper which in effect makes them more viable and affordable for consumers. Is that action now considered a hostile environment?

And again, unless the monopoly is physically stopping you from creating products and services i don't see any problem with them existing. Why should they give up their work and efforts because of your incompetence?

its free "market"

not free "create products and services"

what are markets?

creating products is not the issue... its bringing it to the market

bringing your products and services to the consumers so they can make a decision on what to buy

and how is bringing it to the market an issue?

are you talking about a physical location where all producers come and meet and sell their stuff?

markets exists everywhere

Im talking about any link between businesses and consumers

yeah so i don't see any issue there

so how many people do you think know bitchute even exists?

i dont know and i don't care

what if its a superior product?

what if it isn't

how will we know until customers have had a chance to test it

at the end of the day its the consumers who will decide right

okay i just checked it and it looks awful

really bad UI

im not interested

ill move on

its like, anyone could have used netscape in the 90's right? just go on the internet and get it... but the courts decided it wasnt enough.... and microsoft had to create a browser choice system, so people could decide for themselves

browsers could freely bring their product to consumers

im talking about free markets without government intervention

Wacka the free market and a relatively uninhibited ability to bring products and services to that market are two sides of the same coin they are a symbiotic relationship, one cannot exist without the other sky delineating them seems pointless

a free market is that

those are the same thing

You told me about Bitchute, I went on it and I saw it was quite shit tbh. Really bad UI. I moved on.

accessibility was there