Yeah I am familiar with the model. Things just are not that linear. Like what we call Arabic numerals weren't invented by the Arabs. They just got to Europe from Arabia etc. etc.

that seems nazi-ish to you? well this seems rather jewy to me <:comfort:592107824826417204>

Huh see I always considered the people who see white nationalism in everything to be complete morons. Which would make you.......

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> Europe was in the dark ages for Centuries, the only People who kept Science and Knowledge were the Jews, so technically, @UnScottable is correct, as all Science is based upon the Science preserved by the Jews.
This is incorrect. There was a transfer of knowledge from various places during that era, mostly from India, China and the Middle East which fueled the Renaissance in Europe. Moreover, Jews were not over-represented until at least the late 19th Century AFAIK.

and i replied. I mean cant you say that things that have an outsized influence on its origination and development by a specific group have to some degree, shaped it and inspired it?

Oh well kids the Melatonin is kicking in. Marvelous thing the endocrine system.

I think you'll have to expand on what you mean by inspired here. In the realm of social science, for instance, they can inspire by promoting liberalization (like they did in Weimar Germany, by promoting trans surgeries) or through nepotism.

These are ruled out in Physics and Math

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and influence is a synonym with inspired and so on so yk another word could be substituted there that perhaps sounds better.

The closest I can think of (regarding ethnicities shaping subjects like Math and Physics) is certain populations promoting certain aspects of a field/certain foundational philosophies of that field. For example, ethnic German Mathematicians in the 19th and 20th centuries tended more to Intutionist branches like Topology and Differential Geometry, while Jews tended towards Abstract branches like Group Theory.

<:hyperthink:462282519883284480> hm yes i indeed know what those are.

not really hehe but I have no reason to say you are wrong so <:comfort:592107824826417204>

There should be more research into ethnic differences in topics chosen for dissertation in Physics and Math. I predict they'd match with ethnic differences in subtests of IQ.

that sounds pretty racist to me ford <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

This is not even with any political motive, but out of pure curiosity and interest in the topic

it is pretty interesting to consider, especially if we were to check out perhaps new branches of the social sciences. to see which ethnic differences are in that group would be interesting

Ethnic differences in representation in science will vary a lot depending on wether you're talking about the global scientific community as a whole or localized academia. Usually when a country experiences an economic boom science and technology there will flourish.

Yeah, I'm more interested in controlling for economic factors and looking at cultural and genetic effects on these choices

That's why say the most prominent centers for studying Physics in the 20th century were in Germany and the US.

Unabomber guy actually agrees with Andrew here.

Germany moreso in the latter half of the 19th century, the 20th century was entirely dominated by American discoveries.

Basically, without the power process of surviving in the wilderness people will find surrogate field to experience this psychological need

America has a large amount of Germans

Take the following study for instance, which studied the impact of biology on language

Yes but that wasn't the reason. It was their ability to muster a huge homegrown scientific community while aslo attracting a mind numbingly large number of foreign scientists.

https://books.google.com/books?id=r37uBgAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y
> In a study published in 1969 Brent Berlin and Paul Kay argued that color perception provided an instance of a universal, extralinguistic category scheme. Linguists and anthropologists had been extolling for decades the power of language to shape perception and experience. But Berlin and Kay insisted that, in the case of color at least, our visual apparatus and the way it interacted with light shaped natural languages, not the other way around.
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> The human retina contains cone cells with pigments that are most sensitive to three specific wavelengths of light (which English speakers associate with the color terms red, blue, and green). The visual cortex is able, by parsing this input, to identify what in English is called yellow. (Experts on color perception are in the habit of designating these specific wavelengths as "focal" red, "focal" blue, "focal" green, and "focal" yellow.)

> Berlin and Kay conducted interviews of native speakers of twenty languages, and added to this what they could find out about the color lexicons of seventy-eight more languages. On the basis of the evidence they gathered they concluded, among other things, that:
> 1. All languages contain color terms for white and black.
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> 2. If a language contains three color terms, then it contains a term for red.
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> 3. If a language contains four color terms, then it contains a term for either green or yellow (but not both).
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> 4. If a language contains five color terms, then it contains terms for both green and yellow.
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> 5. If a language contains six color terms, then it contains a term for blue.
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> 6. If a language contains seven color terms, then it contains a term for brown.
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> 7. If a language contains eight or more color terms, then it contains a term for purple, pink, orange, grey, or some combination of these (1969:2-3).

> Berlin and Kay viewed these results as stunning evidence of the impact of biology on language. In a later study Paul Kay and Chad McDaniel (1978) nicely applied fuzzy set theory and more recent neurological research to the earlier linguistic data to argue that all informants, no matter how many or how few the color terms in their native languages, pick focal colors as the best examples of certain of their language's color terms.
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> Speakers of languages with fewer than eight terms categorize unnamed colors as more or less poor examples of named colors. (Purple, for instance, might be categorized as a poor example of "red" in a language with no color term for purple.) If the language in question has more than six color terms (including terms for black and white), then the excess terms' best examples will be derived, first, from the set referred to in English by the terms brown, pink, purple, orange and grey.
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> By "basic" they meant that the designated wavelengths have a perceptual salience based on the structure of the human visual apparatus, and that human languages universally recognize this salience. That is, they were "basic" both in the sense of "hardwired" and in the sense of conceptually prototypical.

And vice versa (certain languages impacting biology): https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/

how many color terms does a language like... that clicking language have

where they make the clicking noises lol interesting

@snake so Kaczynski was basically saying that we have been attracted by the pursuit of knowledge because we no longer live in hunter gatherer societies where the exploration of large swathes of land was essential for survival?

No. He said that surrogate activities are limited and don’t allow for true individual freedom. He hated the technology because he viewed it and industrial society as a form of control

Well yes he did describe science and art as meaningless pursuits but I thought you meant he basically described academic pursuits as an artificial replacement for the activities we used to do when we were hunter gatherers.

Reminder that Kaczynski was a great Mathematician before abandoning it all and going to the woods

That's one of the most well known aspects of his life

He's the perfect mad genius in that regard

Also reminder that he was subject to US Govt. funded psychological experiments while in College