Message from @svarozhyc

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2020-04-02 05:12:17 UTC  

but the nhs has had an inability to accomodate people for a while now

2020-04-02 05:12:23 UTC  

reports of massive wait times

2020-04-02 05:12:27 UTC  

especially for things like surgery

2020-04-02 05:12:39 UTC  

i mean do you really wanna take WHO ranking?

2020-04-02 05:12:41 UTC  

lol

2020-04-02 05:13:10 UTC  

no

2020-04-02 05:13:16 UTC  

but when people compare health systems

2020-04-02 05:13:21 UTC  

they are juggling multiple variables

2020-04-02 05:13:27 UTC  

the us has the best healthcare in the world

2020-04-02 05:13:28 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678530619621507073/695138811381809182/ranking-11-best-international-healthcare-countries-800x600.png

2020-04-02 05:13:31 UTC  

but because of the outrageous cost

2020-04-02 05:13:36 UTC  

it gets put down frequently

2020-04-02 05:13:43 UTC  

yes but only organisation that seems interested in that is WHO

2020-04-02 05:14:11 UTC  

this is from Commnwealth Fund analysis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678530619621507073/695138995524337694/2017-international-health-rankings-800x231.png

2020-04-02 05:14:30 UTC  

Vee made a 6 minute video walking to the shops, he was panting by the end of it

2020-04-02 05:14:32 UTC  

those studies are inherently flawed

2020-04-02 05:14:33 UTC  

Walking

2020-04-02 05:14:38 UTC  

like literally all of them

2020-04-02 05:14:49 UTC  

you cant just compare the health of an entire population to another for example

2020-04-02 05:14:51 UTC  

that was my point

2020-04-02 05:14:51 UTC  

and more importantly

2020-04-02 05:14:53 UTC  

lmao

2020-04-02 05:14:56 UTC  

so why are you trying

2020-04-02 05:14:57 UTC  

lol

2020-04-02 05:14:59 UTC  

where do all of the rich people go to ge their treatment?

2020-04-02 05:15:02 UTC  

the us

2020-04-02 05:15:22 UTC  

@svarozhyc i was saying that if you specifically define health systems by their ability to accomodate patients

2020-04-02 05:15:27 UTC  

the uk has one of the worst in europe

2020-04-02 05:15:30 UTC  

no other metric

2020-04-02 05:16:31 UTC  

define ability to accommodate patients 🙄 how do you tell

2020-04-02 05:17:17 UTC  

wait times

2020-04-02 05:17:24 UTC  

is a pretty good indication usually

2020-04-02 05:17:31 UTC  

but those arent necessarily accurate

2020-04-02 05:17:41 UTC  

the definite metric would be how many hospital beds are available

2020-04-02 05:17:44 UTC  

how many machines

2020-04-02 05:17:45 UTC  

etc.

2020-04-02 05:19:32 UTC  

In a study from 2003 of waiting times in OECD countries, Siciliani and Hurst concluded that “waiting times” is a serious health policy issue in 12 of the countries included in that study (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom). Waiting times were not recorded administratively in a second group of countries (Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the United States) but the authors wrote that they were anecdotally (informally) reported to be low [21]. Our study shows that eight years later, the same countries still record waiting times.

2020-04-02 05:20:10 UTC  

even with things like waiting times

2020-04-02 05:20:16 UTC  

there are a bunch of complex variables