They are times in which they just ran around lying.......:/

Each area requires its own set of needs..

So if I am a hooligan who breaks windows because it's cool

it's own set of lies to convince it

Would convincing me to stop be deceiving me

?

Yes, to an extent

Yep yep

But that would still be an arguably good thing to do

Sure.

And everyone would benefit from it

Me and you

Yes.

Even him

So why not do it?

But... If he thought you were awesome, he would have been like you and not broken those windows to begin with

I'm not saying you're his father

He's a stranger

You would have to go to his level and reach him... Becoming someone you are not

You don't know him

In that aspect... you are decieving him

People that require no deception are already on your side

But is it a bad thing to do

Sure is.

To deceive him into getting his life together

Oh totally.

Even if he would later agree with and thank you

the bastard

Yup yup.

It's just how it is, bb

You'd have to become something you are not to reach him. use his words. His ideologies.

That's deceptive because it isn't you.

Well if your son was like that would you convince him to get his life together?

I don't have to convince my son....

He knows who I am.

You are a good parent who likely gave him a good education.

I couldn't even if I tried.

But if your son was otherwise, or perhaps he had been influenced by friends

He knows I'd never lead him down an incorrect path if I could ever ever help it

And broke the windows of cars lets say

and he values what I have to say