mc / visa

oh well people don't want ACH

people want visa / mc / paypal

sargon might not even get booted from paypal or stripe

"might"

patreon is in a dicey position because of the history

did you notice tim didn't highlight paypal today

and did youtube's join instead

when you sign up there, you deal with all their baggage

square is a no-go for wrong thinkers though, twitter owns them

so you are probably on an even shorter leash

patreon has a history of high fraud claims, etc.

and many, many people - any of whom may be doing stupid things at any given time

all of which will drive complaints to the payment processors about patreon

and shit runs downhill

we need blockchain for that

What payment services won't kick you off and ban you for "wrong think"?

can simply accept bitcoin transfers now

can't buy bitcoin with credit card in the US

only wire transfer

which makes it enough of a pain in the ass that people won't bother

coinbase doesn't let you transfer in with a debit card?

.. thought it did, last I tried

the change was fairly recent if i recall

bitcoin is too volitile

we need to wait till bitcoin is stable and no more speculative currency or use different one

oooh... which shitcoin is best?

and that will probably never happen honestly

brave wallet may have the best odds -no idea what the politics there are

idk which is best, i just see how Ethereum is constantly growing it's infrastructure

them problem is not with *a* particular service

there are only a handful of card processors

and they can shut them down

<http://fortune.com/2018/02/04/banks-ban-buying-bitcoin-credit-card/>

yeah, we need the whole blockchain deal, all of that stuff being there

how does a dedicated blockchain provide a path to rederal reserve notes that is any cleaner that a bitcoin transaction today?

*than a bitcoin...

... and if you have to set up ACH... why not just authorize directly

bitcoin is just a currency, we need infrastructure, banks, blockchain-based servers, AI farms

a bank would be the first step

Clear, open and safe ways to deal with this shit