Anyway, I don't actually think drunk driving should be a crime. I think the crime is when you get into an accident while drunk driving, when it's caused by your actions.

Drunk driving has to be a crime so that impaired drivers can be removed from their vehicles by police

well i think the core question is probably if it's a violation against your rights to be put at risk without your consent

Following that logic, you would not considering placing human lives in dangerous scenarios a crime?

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I don't think safety is a right.

Should pointing a loaded gun at people without their consent be considered a crime only if someone is shot as a result?

Hopefully we see a lot of job loss which will help drive a housing market crash

i'm actually not 100% confident on my stance here, but i would kind of lean towards yeah, one person putting another person at risk without their consent is a rights violation

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That's why we have to sign waivers to do risky stuff

i'm not saying you have a right to be safe, because i agree life is inherently unsafe, but i am saying you have a right to not be put at risk *by another person*

Well, that and lawyers.

Well now we're just talking about odds.

Lawyers can only operate on laws

What determines what's risky? 1/2? 1/10? 1/1000? etc. And what has to be the outcome? A scratch? Loss of a limb? Death?

there are never any clear lines with any morals
moral principles should always be combined with common sense

Death is a likely scenario if you are hit by a drunk driver

Death is a likely scenario if you are hit by a fast moving automobile. Whether the driver is drunk or not.

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Not really. There was no law saying Mc Donalds had to put "hot" on a cup of coffee.
Everyone knows coffee is hot. The fact that some moron spilled it on their lap and sued mcdonalds is why it now las that label

Now they can't be sued for it

But being drunk increases the chances that you will harm someone

If you are driving

you have a good argument there, paradox
the risk of death by a sober driver should be put in comparison to the risk of a drunk driver

Sure, so does being sleep deprived, but that's legal.

yeah good points

Not necessarily

Driving impaired is illegal

Being in a busier town also increases your chances.

Which includes being sleepy

Sleepiness is harder to account for though.

If you fall asleep at the wheel, you can be charged

Also, sleepness is impossible to prove after the fact.

adreniline kicks in after an accident

aint sleepy no more

i think the general argument provided is that the difference in risk compared to normal accepted risk should be significant

They can charge you with reckless driving based on the accident forensics

Yes, but I'm talking moreso about prevention of sleepiness, which is sleep. You can't exactly force someone to sleep either, especially if they have a demanding position that requires long hours.

how significant drunk driving is in comparison is up for debate
but it kind of seems significant to me
but i dunno