Message from Maddie in Subverse #general

2019-01-29 17:18:49 UTC  

Brb i'll rant a bit later

2019-01-29 17:18:50 UTC  

Dinner time

2019-01-29 17:19:22 UTC  

No matter how much therapy Hitler would go through, he would have turned out atleast similar, maybe without the inclination to literally gas the Jews

2019-01-29 17:19:36 UTC  

Let's hope that's not the case Abel otherwise I'm more of a reject than I initially thought. That's not going to be good for my mental health lol.

2019-01-29 17:20:10 UTC  

something something free will debate rabbit hole

2019-01-29 17:20:38 UTC  

@ZerioctheTank Hey, I'm not saying people can be biologically Nazis

2019-01-29 17:21:20 UTC  

I'm saying people are biologically inclined to certain moral frameworks. From here they can go to the ideologies that serve those frameworks

2019-01-29 17:21:41 UTC  

Who we are is a combination of our biology and our experiences. so biology could actually play a part in who is and who isnt likely to fall into radical ideology

2019-01-29 17:21:53 UTC  


2019-01-29 17:22:51 UTC  

I guess? My guess is that if Hitler was born as a Jew, he would have been a radical Zionist

2019-01-29 17:22:59 UTC  

Double blind twin studies yield interesting results. Often twins separated at birth will end up leading very similar lives despite different circumstances

2019-01-29 17:23:19 UTC  

Not always

2019-01-29 17:23:30 UTC  

But often enough to make you wonder

2019-01-29 17:24:28 UTC  

Based on pure observation from watching my kids and my nieces and nephews, I agree with the idea that it's about 70% nature and about 30% nurture. You're born with a certain set of software that governs how you'll deal with incoming stimulus. The nature part is how that software is fine tuned

2019-01-29 17:24:58 UTC  

Maybe the ratio is different for everyone? Nature vs nuture. Who's more inclined to what, and how do we determine that ratio.

2019-01-29 17:24:58 UTC  

Now obviously, that can change depending on the magnitude of the nature and it can completely override the software but I think for a majority of cases it holds

2019-01-29 17:25:34 UTC  

again, more of a general observation but you can see, event at 1 year old, how kids will deal with environmental stimulus

2019-01-29 17:26:04 UTC  

The ratio of nature to nurture is a hotly debated topic in biology

2019-01-29 17:26:07 UTC  

I think the ratio could be different for different people. I'm thinking on average is a 60/40 or 70/30 split

2019-01-29 17:26:20 UTC  

And psychology

2019-01-29 17:26:39 UTC  

I dont know if there is a general consensus

2019-01-29 17:26:50 UTC  

Neuroscience cant tell us yet

2019-01-29 17:27:04 UTC  

having worked in psycho-social oncology, there is SOOOO much guess work going on in psychology today

2019-01-29 17:27:29 UTC  

And wouldn't certain circumstances cause one to shift more in one direction? An abusive parent or living in a communist society for example.

2019-01-29 17:27:47 UTC  

that's why I added stimulus of a certain magnitude

2019-01-29 17:27:55 UTC  

like reinstalling the operating system

2019-01-29 17:28:20 UTC  

Its just a bit alarming when you realize most of who you are and what you think about is completely out of your control and a lot was decided before you were born

2019-01-29 17:28:36 UTC  

a lot of people can't accept that

2019-01-29 17:28:49 UTC  

it keeps me up at night

2019-01-29 17:28:59 UTC  

Existential dread

2019-01-29 17:29:33 UTC  

I know i have a lot of habbits my parents have

2019-01-29 17:29:33 UTC  

Some of us tried to rebel and act differently than our parents, but we may be more like one or the other or even both of them than we care to admit.

2019-01-29 17:29:50 UTC  

I think once you can make certain acceptances, you can actually use it to your advantage

2019-01-29 17:30:11 UTC  

Or maybe even a great grandparent

2019-01-29 17:30:32 UTC  

I know I am the way I am and most likely, that isn't going to change barring some radical event. So instead, I try and focus on analyzing why I behave the way I do and how I react and adjust my environment accordingly

2019-01-29 17:30:52 UTC  

I try to do thar

2019-01-29 17:30:58 UTC  

It really helped me deal with crippling insomnia

2019-01-29 17:31:05 UTC  

But i overthink and over worry about everything

2019-01-29 17:31:10 UTC  

<-- I feel you

2019-01-29 17:31:23 UTC  

What if im unable to avoid the sins of my father