yep but you call something nothing

We are literally using a name to refer to nothingness

Hawaiian Juche FTW! 👌

Fuck

go into interstellar space where the number of atoms per cubic centimeter can go as low as 0.1, that's the closest thing to naturally ocuring nothingness

even if wee agree on a definition of something and nothing

Anyone who says nothing is something because we have a name for it is so fucked

No offensr

i could only agree that something cant come from nothing in this universe

They are two different things man

A name and a thing

A name and matter

I cant

Here's the thing, I accept big bang because it is the hypothesis that matches the closest with the verified models in current science

so could the big bang inadvertanly be proof of a form of creationism then?

If there's an alternate theory that does so better, I'd be willing to accept it

You know

i have debated a lot the kalam

so yeah i pretty much know what you are going for

@Archon Not at all, since there is no intelligent design taking place

yall talking religion or something?

Dunno

Phylosofy i guess

We're trying to tolerate creationist arguments from a decade ago, yes

anyway i think nothing is impossible tho absolute nothing

even if you have a void, the void its not nothing

Characterising it as "Something came from nothing" is like saying Evolution is "Monkeys became humans"

Not really

we know the second is false

we dont know anything from the first one

*something can't come from nothing, but my god can durr durrrr*

is that the debate ?

But it's a purposeful reductionist mischaracterising of the big bang theory

he didnt said anything about god

so yeah dont strawman him

one of the most convincing models is that the big bang is a recurring event, through heat death time as a dimension becomes null, and thus no matter how spread out space was it gets reduced to a single point, then it expands again and so on

i do preffer the multiverse theory tho

i prefer theories that can be mathematically tested

you can test the end and the begining of the recurring model tho?

yes

im pretty sure math breaks at some point