let me rephrase my statement. MURDER is wrong regardless of context

what about when the shining path slaughter entire villages to make a point to not interfere with their drug trade?

killing can be accidental

@Kelz Is an accidental killing as immoral as a deliberate murder? Is that your question?

or when mexican police collude with drug gangs to murder entire buses full of college students and bury them in a landfill?

I'm waiting for this get into primitivism

how bad would shit be if Germany wan maaaannn

Murder is a matter of law not morality.

any cases where someone intentionally kills another person is bad

@EndangeredProdigy Is a communist a murderer if 100 million of his people die due to failed communist goals of central planning? Even if (Bernie Sanders) thought that we could all be happier with communism.......If 100 million people died through waste and failed government planning (Starvation, Lack of medicine etc.) Is that the same as 100 million jews being killed by an evil dictator who hated the way they looked?

It really depends on where the morality comes from.

Nah. When I am defending myself, the goal is to kill the person and save myself.

you're framing the question @Kelz

@Marcus_Summers probably better, lower population count, less man-made pollution, no currency issues, EU non-existent, Communism, non-existent.

Or it could be worse.

ooh you just pinged everyone

dude

not good

stop most of the things you are doing

you are bad at chat room

shit

No, he pinged everyone. Not everyone.

mistake

how to undo?

no undo

cant

i deleted

@Kelz if you are comparing Stalin's murders to Hitler's murders, Stalins are worse because of the scale

damage done

@EndangeredProdigy Is a communist a murderer if 100 million of his people die due to failed communist goals of central planning? Even if (Bernie Sanders) thought that we could all be happier with communism.......If 100 million people died through waste and failed government planning (Starvation, Lack of medicine etc.) Is that the same as 100 million jews being killed by an evil dictator who hated the way they looked?

he didn't "accidentally" starve all those people in the holodomor

If US did not join the war after pearl harbor, Europe would be Germany, and Tensions between Soviet Union will continue until Stalin gets removed from power by his own.

Dude, all you did was ping one person, everyone. Not everyone.

@EndangeredProdigy Not talking about Hitler or Stalin

you're framing the question

No.

Guys everyone slow down and answer my question.....

@Paradox I'd recommend you look of the distinction between terms like murder, manslaughter, negligent homicide, self-defense and etc. All killings are not immoral but murder is.

Is a communist worst if 100 million of his people die due to failed communist goals of central planning? Even if (Bernie Sanders) thought that we could all be happier with communism.......If 100 million people died through waste and failed government planning (Starvation, Lack of medicine etc.) Is that the same as 100 million jews being killed by an evil dictator who hated the way they looked?

if the deaths were TRULY unintentional, then they are not as bad as the dictator

because they weren't done with intent