Message from @Aaronnn123
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its like saying "all that breaths should be killed"
"Why"
"Because if you breath you should be killed"
that doesn't address the question in any way lol
Well do you think it's right for someone to come into your house and tell you what to do if what you're doing doesn't affect anyone
And when the state interfers in people's lives, it always does more bad than good
Look at the war on drugs
Or the war in the middle east
That's a false analogy fallacy. I wouldn't be in favor of that however i would not extrapolate that principle onto the state
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How's it a false analogy
Its a false analogy because it asks me an instance with which i disagree with, and then attempts at extrapolating the principle of that instance into a GENERAL thing which oughta apply to everything
That's the definition of false analogy fallacy
Fine, then do you have any arguments to suggest that authoritarianism is better than libertarianism
Well asking whether authoritarianism in and of itself is better than libertarianism is like asking whether a pickaxe is better than a shovel, they're both tools, it depends on how you use them and the context of the society in which you're asking that
My varient of authoritarianism is superior to libertarianism because the principles i adhere to exclude libertarianism as an option. I don't believe in individualism, I reject materialism upon which libertarianism entirely relies on, and its individualistic tenets
I think it's best to see libertarianism as an ideal while authoritarianism works better for the current state of things.
I disagree
You're assuming that once we get rid of the current situation, and we then switch to libertarianism since the ideas we previously enforced becomes a "norm", people will remain in adherence to those ideas. Which isn't really the case, since people will try to subvert the masses without a state to oversight the situation
I get what you mean
but assuming those subversive elements didn't exist
asuming we are all ethical then it can work
the thing is that something like that is hard to achieve
Where has that happened
This hasn't held true in rojava, Zapatista Chiapas, exarcheia or cheran. I accept to an extent that happened in Somalia, however that seems to be more of an exception
What is "that" here?
that's it's hard to achieve a utopia where everybody is ethical
I don't think it ever happened
@Ronin well without the state to serve as an oversight, people will have a choice to be unethical, and then even worse exert their immorality onto others by subverting them
maybe it can happen in smart homgenous societies like in parts of East Asia.
Like if you were to legalize a purge in say South Korea I doubt much would happen.
Well no one will ever alwats be ethical
it's basicly assuming that greedy people will not be greedy and recognize that you need to sacrifice some things for the greater good.
Well that's obviously false Aron
Saints are saints because they have remained ethical thru out their entire life
For example
However, last century, governments killed 1/15 people from democide and war, even more from shitty economic policy and thing like Chernobyl, I think we'd be better off if governance was run by the community instead of a large state
Are you saying saints never do anything wrong?
They wouldn't be saints if they occassionally indulged in sin lol
That's what makes them saints, full rejection of sin and full dedication to Christ
Well that's a subjective interpretation of ethics
Yeah but that's irrelevant
But anyway, I'm interested in Materialism and why you think materialistic individualism is a valid philosophy. Or do you just believe in methodological individualism?
I don't believe in individualism, why do you think that?
I said communities should make decisions instead of centralised states
Well you're a libertarian, that's why I assumed it