Message from @Koninos

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2020-03-29 21:23:37 UTC  

As i saidd gradual integration is possible

2020-03-29 21:23:47 UTC  

If we focus on improving the middle class

2020-03-29 21:23:49 UTC  

It is possible

2020-03-29 21:24:00 UTC  

No. You'll just get to the point, gradually or not, that the wealthy will leave due to heavy taxation.

2020-03-29 21:24:05 UTC  

So?

2020-03-29 21:24:09 UTC  

And no they wont

2020-03-29 21:24:11 UTC  

50's disprove that

2020-03-29 21:24:13 UTC  

So you lose a hell lot of revenue.

2020-03-29 21:24:32 UTC  

Fuck the 50's, in the 50's the wealthy had loyalty, were patriots and they were not predatory multinational companies.

2020-03-29 21:24:43 UTC  

Which guide America's economy today.

2020-03-29 21:24:49 UTC  

And politics, as well.

2020-03-29 21:25:39 UTC  

But you make the assumption that is utterly *impossible* to fix these issues.

2020-03-29 21:25:45 UTC  

Difficult yes, but impossible? No

2020-03-29 21:26:11 UTC  

Today, impossible.

2020-03-29 21:26:26 UTC  

What do you mean today?

2020-03-29 21:26:30 UTC  

2020's

2020-03-29 21:26:34 UTC  

Obviously

2020-03-29 21:26:37 UTC  

Do you mean from today to infinity, that is impossible

2020-03-29 21:26:43 UTC  

Or that ddoing it in an instant is impossible

2020-03-29 21:26:47 UTC  

2020's

2020-03-29 21:26:50 UTC  

2020-2029

2020-03-29 21:26:56 UTC  

And after?

2020-03-29 21:27:41 UTC  

And beyond, until we reach a breaking point which restarts the economy. But it will happen naturally, with the collapse of capitalism. And if you try to break capitalism intentionally in the 2020's, you will find yourself breaking the American economy as well.

2020-03-29 21:28:16 UTC  

Not if you make the middle-class powerful again

2020-03-29 21:28:49 UTC  

Making it powerful isn't enough. You need to make it WAY more powerful than the upper class.

2020-03-29 21:28:58 UTC  

Which is possible

2020-03-29 21:29:29 UTC  

How is it possible, then?

2020-03-29 21:29:32 UTC  

Not even "possible", that implies chance. It is 100% doable.

2020-03-29 21:29:45 UTC  

How is it 100% doable, then?

2020-03-29 21:30:03 UTC  

There are a plethora of things which we need to fixed. But for a start

2020-03-29 21:30:57 UTC  

Reduce or Ban corporate influence in politics
Ban funding for elections - all funding is public (like nations in the EU, each party gets a certain amount of money from the government to campaign)

2020-03-29 21:32:02 UTC  

Banning corporate influence in politics will lead into some, if not most, corporations leaving the country. Not to mention that today, the corporations rule the politics of China, the USA, and many other nations.

2020-03-29 21:32:06 UTC  

Do continue.

2020-03-29 21:32:32 UTC  

There is no evidence that banning corporate influence in politics will lead to most corporations leaving the country

2020-03-29 21:33:24 UTC  

Increase the Federal Minimum Wage to match inflation and buying power. Force price restrictions to ensure companies do not raise prices in response. Any company that attempts to raise prices is threatened with nationalization.

2020-03-29 21:33:26 UTC  

I'm not aware of the existence of such evidence indeed, yet I think you'd agree on the fact that you don't always need evidence.

2020-03-29 21:33:30 UTC  

Program to put every single homeless and unemployed able-bodied man to work by working with the private sector and implementation of monumental public workers programs such as the expansion of the interstates, new hydroelectric dams, revamping all infrastructure

2020-03-29 21:35:41 UTC  

So basically you're keeping the free market, but also restrict the corporations (some if not most will leave), and then somehow force all people who are able to work, to the private sector (some of which will most probably be damaged by your previous implementations), and you also assume that you have enough money to spend to the infrastructure.

2020-03-29 21:36:09 UTC  

There is no evidence some or most will leave.

2020-03-29 21:36:33 UTC  

And i do not see how any such claims can be regarded as self-evident.

2020-03-29 21:37:39 UTC  

> I'm not aware of the existence of such evidence indeed, yet I think you'd agree on the fact that you don't always need evidence.
I also explained why they would leave. Most would migrate to China, I guess, a country in which their revenues will increase by more than 500%, if you implement these measures.