Message from @Sentient23
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To be clear, again, I think it's fine that you agree with the Christian's opinions on what is moral and immoral.
Well do you agree, that if one does that which is proclaimed as immoral by Christianity, then labeling them as a "Satanist" - Which just means that they do that which satan advocates for, would be a correct label? Not whether or not you think Satan exists, or whether Christianity is correct, but if that's the standard for what is a satanist, then would the label be correct?
I think at the time, sure, Satanism wasn't what it is today. So for the Christians at the time calling someone a devil worshipper or a Satanist would actually make sense. My problem is just that the religions of today that can be classified as "Satanism" could get lumped in with the early Christian sense of the word and would just cause confusion if such a definition were used without clarification.
Well you have to understand, that 99 percent of the people who label someone as satanist, reference the Christian notion of satanism rather than cringelords LaVey's notion of satanism. But regardless, even if that were true and i conceded that, LaVey's notion of satanism is still satanic in the Christian sense.
Oh, sure, LaVey's Satanism is absolutely evil from a Christian perspective.
Honestly? I thinking it's probably not wrong for someone like you to call it such.
Are you a Satanist?
No, not personally.
@BeefSupreme you keep asking me to give you examples, I keep giving you them. What exactly are you looking for?
https://hermetic.com/texts/yetzirah
https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/index.htm
englishqabalah.com
Liber Al vel legis ( the Thelemic book of the law) establishes its own gematria system as well
@alpi
I don't consider myself denominational but I do think that Jesus was divine.
@BeefSupreme
I'm really trying to figure out what you're asking me. I told you the why of it working and the how it is done.
The Phoenician numerical system was embedded into the letters along with symbolic meanings. What do you think Jews meant when they talked about the "number of the beast"
I sent you information on the qliphoth, even lyrics from a song I made using qabalah. You don't see
Those numbered lists WERE examples of the gematria side of Kabbalah. Each letter is assigned a number and then you add the sum of all the numbers together to get the final value.
Wolves
I heard this before by a magick youtuber i used to watch, is it true that in a world in which magick is correct, the afterlife would basically be whatever the individual believed it would be thru out his life
Is that true?
I think it's not what we want until we realize we don't want to suffer anymore
The death of all things would be also the unity of all things.
The absence of a world with death is essentially heaven
I don't see how any of this answers my question about the afterlife in magick, and its relevance to our beliefs in the material world
Because I think the only thing that's real is consciousness. Who we are now is not who we always were, even in our own lifetimes or in terms of an afterlife
Our cells constantly replace themselves. In my opinion who we are now is a lie, we'll be someone else later or we'll perpetually relive it.
My views of mortality are closer to Buddhist and Egyptian than traditionally Jewish or Christian
I also don't think you can get to heaven with desire because it's the seed of suffering.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_the_Dead
I guess the Jews appropriated the concept of a three part soul from the egyptians. (Ka, ba and akh)
https://www.aish.com/jl/sp/bas/48942091.html
>>Three Parts
>>The soul consists of three parts which are called by the Hebrew names, nefesh, ruach and neshama.
http://myweb.usf.edu/~liottan/theegyptiansoul.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_theory_of_soul
I never wrapped my head around magick, could you link me some sites/books for introduction?
William Cooper did a pretty decent job learning about the mystery school as an outsider
Ill read it in a bit
but until then, does magick give a direct outlining of what the afterlife is like?
Generally if it's based on nondualism... no: reincarnation potentially, or unity with the source of creation through death.
https://oto-usa.org/thelema/theology/
Magickal philosophy is almost entirely left hand path though
Hermeticism is debatably right handed, but the way it's practiced really depends on the individual