Message from @Sentient23

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Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:58:21 UTC  

It's crucial? Workers owning the means of production isn't the same as the state owning the means of production. In the former you basically have syndicalist anarchy, while in the latter you have concentrated top down approach towards economics

Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:58:42 UTC  

If you think its meaningless you haven't read any of the marxist literature

Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:58:47 UTC  

Have you read das kapital?

Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:59:00 UTC  

At least the first volume?

Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:59:05 UTC  

Of course you haven't.

AH-64
2020-03-13 06:59:06 UTC  

Parts of it. Until I realized he didn't even justify his central premises

Sentient23
2020-03-13 06:59:29 UTC  

Whether or not he justified them is irrelevant to whether or not you can understand his general conception without sperging and redefining it

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:00:01 UTC  

I only need to understand it enough to know what commies are talking about. I don't need to know every little definition

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:00:14 UTC  

Not the least because I simply don't care about them. Why should I?

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:00:50 UTC  

You wasted what, a full week of your life to reading three volumes of this shite?

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:01:05 UTC  

Good for your ego, I suppose

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:01:05 UTC  

Imagine being this braindead

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:01:07 UTC  

fucking hell

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:01:14 UTC  

"Look mom! I read Das Kapital!"

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:01:38 UTC  

"Yeah guys, why the heck should i care about literally understanding their crucial ideas prior to trying to dunk on them"

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:02:08 UTC  

Did I say I don't understand them?

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:02:19 UTC  

I understand them better than you do, and better than they do

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:02:24 UTC  

You don't have to say everything in order for me to conclude that

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:02:26 UTC  

No lmao

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:02:28 UTC  

You understand them on their terms

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:02:34 UTC  

You think ussr was communist

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:02:35 UTC  

Guess what? Their terms are shit

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:02:38 UTC  

LOOOL

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:02:50 UTC  

I don't care if it's communist or socialist or dreamlandist

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:03:01 UTC  

That's how ideologies ARE understood you stupid shit, you understand an ideology from the perspective of those who agree with it

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:03:20 UTC  

Instead of getting your understanding from armchair neo liberals who misrepresent it

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:04:06 UTC  

And yet you defined liberalism in your own terms

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:04:27 UTC  

Not even you take your own standards serious

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:04:41 UTC  

No

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:04:50 UTC  

When did i provide my definition of liberalism?

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:04:52 UTC  

Quote me?

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:05:02 UTC  

Oh, right

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:05:12 UTC  

You just defended the definition of AntiLiberal

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:05:39 UTC  

I didn't defend his definition. I defended the claim that liberalism enforces individualism

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:05:40 UTC  

Is libertarianism liberalism?

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:05:50 UTC  

Depends which forms

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:06:20 UTC  

I'd ask you to explain but I don't really care

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:06:56 UTC  

Certain forms of libertarianism aren't liberal, such as left wing libertarianism, which reject basic liberal principles such as property rights

Sentient23
2020-03-13 07:07:14 UTC  

Liberalism is libertarian in its nature, though

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:07:22 UTC  

Cool

AH-64
2020-03-13 07:07:30 UTC  

Did I ask you for your opinion?