Ok that’s your decision

It's not my decision though

Even non Jewish Zionists frown upon me when I do

I have a problem with the apartheid-like policies in Israel and I’m still a Zionist

Zionists might frown upon you, so what?

Well then that's a more literal definition of Zionism which is fine

Yeah...

The problem is contemporary Zionism

I’m a Zionist in the sense of the literal definition

That's fair enough then, though loteral Zionists are becoming rare

You’re personal anecdotes really don’t prove anything, I have libertarian family members and I can’t bring up the state around them because they will frown upon me

Not very libertarian of him. But the point is, groups like AIPAC along with both neo cons and neolibs bully people into staying silent around Israel

kinda surrpised that they aren't the default libs

His anecdotes do in fact prove a lot. You cannot prove somethign like this without invoking anecdotes

I think aipac is legitimately the 137th largest lobbying group in America

how is AIPAC legal?

Ok well my libertarian family members don’t like me bringing up the state. And most of them are annoying

libertarians are always annoying

@Ronin because lobbying is legal

unfortunately

Right wing Libertarians are sometimes annoying

Neo cons who claim to be libertarians are the most annoying

I’m against America fighting Israel’s wars and paying for their wall

I want Israel to be independent

They shouldn’t be reliant on America

I just don't see why people are so up in arms about Israel

even here

I mean here my nation not this server

like everybody doesn't care about what happens in their own nation, but acts like israel is somehow more important than their own nation

^

Fuck

Posted the uncropped version

Again, Israel is the 137th biggest lobbying organization in America

so any updates on Turkey? Did they declare war yet?

@Soy Boy proof?

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/281477/how-influential-is-aipac

Yeah that's not what you said buddy

Wait it’s the 147th*

In 2018, total pro-Israel lobbying spending was around $5 million, of which AIPAC accounted for $3.5 million. In contrast, Native American casinos spent around $22 million that year. By Tablet’s count, AIPAC was the 147th highest-ranked entity in terms of lobbying spending in 2018.

You didn't say that they are, in terms of spending 100th, but in terms of how big they as an organization, are 100th