Message from @LOGiK

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2020-02-15 03:40:02 UTC  

Personally l will never support suppression of freedoms

2020-02-15 03:40:19 UTC  

?

2020-02-15 03:40:29 UTC  

Their freedom to hurt others?

2020-02-15 03:40:38 UTC  

it's mostly inexperience mixed with youthful stupidity, if you just make the test harder then what are you really changing?

2020-02-15 03:40:59 UTC  

Statistically somewhat irrelevant when young drivers are the bigger problem

2020-02-15 03:41:03 UTC  

I'm not at all against making the current tests harder.

2020-02-15 03:41:03 UTC  

By far

2020-02-15 03:41:23 UTC  

Yes but this has nothing to do with young drivers

2020-02-15 03:41:44 UTC  

I'm only discussing elderly and their lower reaction times

2020-02-15 03:41:46 UTC  

You're targeting groups based on age under the guise of "safety"

2020-02-15 03:42:12 UTC  

Are you denying that people get worse physically and mentally as they age?

2020-02-15 03:43:40 UTC  

You're saying that despite the wealth of experience elderly drivers may have amassed over their years of driving, they should be subjected to additional hoops to jump through to retain their ability to drive, neglecting the fact that many absolutely depend on this and won't be able to function without their license, all in the name of the highet likelyhood that they'll be involved in a crash than someone 10 years younger

2020-02-15 03:43:56 UTC  

Simultanously you don't want anything to change for the younger drivers

2020-02-15 03:43:59 UTC  

Since you brought up youngsters, the only point I'm trying to make is the fact that young people can do a lot in order to counteract their lack of experience and recklessness whilst the elderly can literally do nothing about getting slower as they age.

2020-02-15 03:44:08 UTC  

Who ate significantly more of a risk factor

2020-02-15 03:44:13 UTC  

Are

2020-02-15 03:44:23 UTC  

The young

2020-02-15 03:44:26 UTC  

It doesn't matter if they can do something when they don't

2020-02-15 03:45:00 UTC  

There is no incentive for them to and they clearly don't, hence they're more likely to kill someone on the road

2020-02-15 03:45:02 UTC  

Not every young driver is reckless and irresponsible.

2020-02-15 03:45:14 UTC  

Statiatically more of them are than old drivers

2020-02-15 03:45:20 UTC  

Every single old person has slow reaction times.

2020-02-15 03:45:25 UTC  

My spelling is awful

2020-02-15 03:45:46 UTC  

Is okay

2020-02-15 03:45:54 UTC  

It doesn't matter if old people have slow reaction times when the old people are far less likely to kill and maim others on the road

2020-02-15 03:46:08 UTC  

Like it's functionally irrelevant

2020-02-15 03:46:58 UTC  

Whether it's experience, hormones, mental stability or what, the fact is that a 20 year old driver is more likely to kill another person by their driving than a 75 year old

2020-02-15 03:47:12 UTC  

That is an absolute fact

2020-02-15 03:47:17 UTC  

They're not functionally irrelevant? They can and do hurt people although a lot less than the youngsters most of the time.

2020-02-15 03:47:29 UTC  

I'm not denying that

2020-02-15 03:48:00 UTC  

But what you're saying is you want to target a small group of people rather than the bigger, more dangerous group

2020-02-15 03:48:15 UTC  

Even though it disadvantages that small group far far more

2020-02-15 03:48:23 UTC  

And benefits fewer

2020-02-15 03:50:16 UTC  

There are a lot of old people who have to use their cars to get shopping, they can't walk far enough and/or don't have cab or public transport availability to do it any other way, nor can they afford deliveries or even use the technology properly to arrange them, they probably wouldn't pass a current test because they're older and slower, but they're also less likely than 22 year old joe who passed 5 years ago to crash

2020-02-15 03:50:32 UTC  

My targetting of dangerous users on the road isnt mutually exclusive to the elderly. Having slow reaction times as they get older is the only thing I'm trying to talk about, I believe the current laws do not do it justice enough.
Again, completely seperate with young people and their problems. Deal with the young and the elderly both.
I dont understand what you're saying...

2020-02-15 03:51:39 UTC  

Tough luck? If you cant drive responsibly whether that's because of old age, drugs or alchohol. That's a You problem.

2020-02-15 03:52:08 UTC  

Being slow has nothing to do with responsible driving

2020-02-15 03:52:47 UTC  

>They probably wouldn't pass a current test because they're older and slower.

YES! That's why they shouldn't be allowed to be on the road. That's the point.

2020-02-15 03:52:59 UTC  

I disagree

2020-02-15 03:53:28 UTC  

What.

2020-02-15 03:53:39 UTC  

Things change over time, I'm not even middle age and I doubt I'd pass the test here as it is now, the test now is vastly different from when i passed my tests