but sure call it that

Mate, people aren't going to vote to preserve the system that gave them their problems anyway even if a new face (party) is in power removing hard fought benefits and aiding the rich.

hard fought benefits, like what

Across the world, hard fought benefits by labor movements are under attack now. Labor is weak and the bourgeois state is screeching in glee. The NHS in Britain for example.

I thought we were talking about the US

I am but it isn't isolated to the US.

The conditions which cause political apathy exist throughout the west.

***oh yeah the west is a piece of shit***

***we should all become like China***

The West is in decline, this is an inevitable process that we're in the middle of

I do not think China's system is correct to apply in the conditions of the western powers today.

Mimicry is not a correct political line ever.

Frankly capitalism is the best we can get for the US. The communists, socialists and others that want to change the political and economical system, it aint going to work

And those were the kinds of people that didn't vote for the election

Your frame of mind exists in reformism.

The ruling class will never let free its grip of the state without a fight.

well I don't think a revolution is needed

Capitalists in America, workers in China.

frankly we got enough problems

Neither will let loose their grip and allow their dominance to be destroyed by a few reforms.

The reaction Capitalism had to reformist Socialism is clearly apparent in different ways for both Venezuela and Chile.

Our system is modeled on enhancing profit of the bourgeois class.

It is one cause of many of our problems.

Which class should see enhanced profits?

My argument isn't on which class should see their dominance of society form.

Also youre going to have to elaborate on the Venezuela and Chile point

well u 2 have fun, I gotta work on my economy simulator

Its minecraft btw

Gross

But I guarantee, its really fun

Hey its an economy server

Capitalists in Chile and abroad immediately reacted with a violent coup against the state forming a brutal dictatorship under Pinochet.

When leftists in Venezuela barely saw their success, foreign and internal Capitalism took every chance to sabotage the country.

As an example for Venezuela

Hiding food from store shelves.

If you think Hillary and Trump represent anyting really different, you have deluded yourselves.

In the end, the song of the American poor exists in the blood of both parties.

Agreed

Ew

Ew?

Nazis are like extreme Trots. In the end they say they support the worker but their biggest ally has always been the Capitslists.

Cool opinion