Jiang's consolidating of power was a mistake on Deng's part.

Nobody likes poor Toadman

Jiang still represented the DotP and made important contributions for future Chinese development though.

His policy of allowing Capitalists in the party and opening up more than was probably needed was a problem though.

Thoughts on Falun Gong, Wisent?

I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment.

I don't speak on stuff I don't have enough info on.

Well the persecution thereof rather than the ins and outs of the practice itself

I'm still not knowledgeable enough, though I have heard some terrible shit about the Falun Gong so my bias would be on China's side.

What've you heard?

Some cult-like stuff. I'm not to sure on the validity of that though.

Even if it were true does that justify the persecution and occasional organ harvesting of practitioners?

Organ harvesting sounds like propaganda for one.

For two, I'm not a free speech kind of person. I'm literally fine with the Soviet Union's death penalty on anti-semites.

It's not a matter of free speech, though the concept of freedom of worship and freedom of speech are closely related. And I'm not accusing them of doing wrong, just exploring your thoughts

I would still retain that I don't know enough to comment but organ harvesting sounds like bullshit and propaganda.

The media likes to portray the CPC attempting to make closer ties with the people as oppression so meh.

Western Liberal media slandering an ideology and regime is by no means a foreign concept to someone of my political leanings, but it is important to consider the possibility that the regimes we admire commit or enable - inadvertently or otherwise - actions that don't sit well with our personal morals without immediately throwing up the psychological defense mechanism of declaring to ourselves that it's merely propaganda.

The countries of your political leanings require a degree of moral sacrifice to support.

And it may well be propaganda, but I find it dangerous to immediately declare it as such.

*China bans Winnie the Pooh*

In the words of The Dude, yeah well that's just like your opinion man

*Oops I have no evidence for that fuck*

*China bans the letter N*

It's pretty easy to dismiss this shit as propaganda.

I know bad shit has happened under Socialist states.

I am completely against the bullshit that happened with Chinese healthcare reform.

There's a far cry from clickbait headlines like "Big Mean Commies Ban Innocent Cartoon, Share if you Remember Winnie the Pooh" and serious concerns that the Chinese regime is harvesting organs from Falun Gong practitioners

Even if they did, that doesn't warrant complete change in my views about China.

Nor would I suggest that it should

I can criticize the shit China does to dead people but I can support them.

The Bolsheviks robbed banks.

That was actually good on their part but it shows that moral superiority doesn't belong to any individual country.

America does far worse shit in its imperialist wars and military prisons.

Falun gong is nazi

Falun Gong are weird. I have seen them once in front of the SDN building in Geneva

The building is now part of the UN institutions

It's hard taking anti-communist propaganda seriously when South Korea has literally kidnapped North Koreans for their propaganda.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defections.html?module=WatchingPortal&region=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=2&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defections.html&eventName=Watching-article-click

South Korean really is shady. I would rather see union under a somewhat more open North Korea style government

Also wtf is wrong with this link.