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The same defenders of "Liberty". They are no longer progressive or radical. It is Capitalist as hell.

The difference between Liberal sects is pointless discussion. It leads to the same crap.

Individualism/

It is individualist.

Not all Republicans are libertarian, but a lot of them are. Some have a lot of conservative views, and the Republican party is considered to be the conservative party of the US :l

Individualism, bourgeois "freedom", and Capitalism are the primary similarities of all Liberal sects.

You know how feminists differ themselves from feminazis

Like Republican Liberals differ themselves from what the Democrats are representing

But they believe the same key things.

Individualism, bourgeois "freedom", and Capitalism.

uh sure, I mean you can be independent or a centrist, idc.

Maybe the key ideas that they believe in so happen to be the best choice, maybe not

Pretty much all centrists are Liberals.

Because all centrists are right-leaning.

sure thing

Imagine believing you can mix the extremely contradictory viewpoints of the left and right and create some kind of middle-ground.

Center is best is a strange notion that I can't even begin to comprehend why exists.

Republican and Democrat are just agendas

if a Republican agenda so happens to be liberal leaning, so be it

But generally you cannot go in the center for an agenda. Like for example democrats believe high tax, republicans believe low tax

Doesn't matter either way. Neither will do anything about the rich tax dodging.

Do you believe Trump doesn't pay his taxes btw

I don't care if Trump does.

He represents the people who *don't*.

He also represents the people that do, why would people that do pay taxes be a Democrat

low tax the better for anybody

Interesting.

**Vote Trump 2020**

Which begs me to ask why leftists states usually have lower taxes.

boo

Socialist Albania literally disallowed all taxes on its citizens.

And I mean *socialist*.

Not Scandinavia.

The USSR had very low taxes.

So does the DPRK.

Well yeah its an agenda, not represented by liberalism or conservatism lol. Just whatever works best

Whatever the party believes will benefit the country/state or whatever

You do realize there is literally no difference between the Republicans and Democrats beyond cosmetics like taxes and gay rights. They represent the Capitalist class and place the needs of those who do not do their taxes, the rich, over those of the commons.

Poverty is increasing.

I don't know about the details of Soviet administrative finances, but I would hazard to guess that taxes aren't necessary for state revenue when most industries are state run, so an evaluation of whether socialism is good insofar as taxes can't be looked at in isolation of "were taxes high or low" if the alternative methods for funding the state apparatus are more detrimental than higher taxes. That's not to say I'm arguing against lower taxes in socialist countries or anything, just something to consider