Do you think they aren't worthy of a job because they dont produce more than minimum wage costs + the other employment costs

Because they dont just have to pay for your salary

When they hire you

It's alot more than that

if you cant produce more than you cosst

The company wont hire you

you need experience to actually gain skills

So starting from scratch is extremely difficult when theres a minimum wage hurdle you have to jump over and compete with more skilled people for

*I have half a mind to just stop, because you people aren't giving me any chance to address one point letalone the 15 or 20 yo make while I'm still typing. at least have the decency to not send 30 separate messages consisting of sentence fragments

sorry

That's fair

I just splurted

I'll let you respond to each

And i'll stfu

so let me get THIS straight, I'm not allowed to call you people retarded, but you're allowed to be condescending twats?

Regardeless, skill set isn't the be all and end all of a work force, reason being that I drag lobster crates around each weighing a total in excess of 115 pounds. That takes some muscle, the kind of muscle a desk-top dipshit lawer generally wouldn't have, or at least I can't picture many of them bothering to go to the gym.

By that logic, I should make the same amount as a layer, because I have a marketable skill for slinging heavy crates around with the same care as you'd treat a crate of eggs for 10 to 12 to 14 hours a day. Meanwhile, a lawyer makes astronomically more money than I do in a day despite not waking up in the middle of the night with muscle cramps. I don't think that's very fair considering that all he has to know how to do is argue the law in a very clean, quiet room.

There is a very stark difference, I work for a company and a lawyer (as near as I can tell) are pretty much freelancers, however the fact of the matter is that despite my shitty conditions, despite my inadequate benefits, despite the INSISTANCE of my employer that I should have to work 7 days a week which is already against Canadian law, my employer thinks I already have it too good. Legally speaking, an outright lie. You can't expect people to break their backs doing slave labour for 14 hours a day, and then expect them back bright and early in the morning for chump change an hour.

Meanwhile, some pompus rich jackass wonders why the lower class is in such a shitty position, it's because we can barely get by, letalone thrive.

I think I hit the character limit, but I'm not quite done, that's just my basic stance on the whole thing

As for what you're saying, give me a minute and i'll catch up

Just clear it up
I didn't say you werent allowed to call me retarded but I don't usually talk like a condescending twat but from the moment you called me a retard I thought you'd be up for the banter of name calling.

Well someone got pissy at me for it.

using those who the system has failed is just a testament to the fact that the system needs to change. The unemployed can barely get employed as it is regardless of minimum wage. Depending on the area you're talking about, this could be for numerous seperate reasons, however i don't believe that the entire think can be just hand-waved away as "oh well they don't produce more than minimum wage."

most homeless people I can imagine would be just as hard a worker as any one of us who had a home at least in a hard labour job. on the other side of the coin, there are some people who think they're too good to spend even 8 hours a day for 5 days a week in a lobster plant. I actually had a coworker who was like that, but there was far more than that to do with why he was fired. Namely, he was an asshole to anyone and everyone who was better than he was at working the job they were given. he could talk the talk, not walk the walk.

Regardeless, skill set isn't the be all and end all of a work force, reason being that I drag lobster crates around each weighing a total in excess of 115 pounds. That takes some muscle, the kind of muscle a desk-top dipshit lawer generally wouldn't have, or at least I can't picture many of them bothering to go to the gym.

I didn't say skill set was the be all and end all of the work force, I but i used that to point out your contradiction when you said that companies wouldn't do anything unless forced to.

Also lets be honest most people can pull a lobster cage around if that's their job they will grow muscles and it will get easier for them over time, on the other hand law is incredibly complex although I don't think it should be because the law is very much tailored for big business but it does require a lot more knowledge that not everyone has where as dragging a lobster cage everyone knows how it's just if they can physically or not now.
(Thanks to lobbying which is just possible because the government can create laws and regulations most of which are actually lobbied for by the big companies looking to make it harder for smaller companies to compete with them so they can maintain their majority market share lawyers are most likely paid more than they would be if the law was more simple)

wtf is happening in here

WHERE IS THE CANCER

@Farunel an argument about minimum wage is about as cancerous as it will be for a few scrolls up

I'm here for degeneracy not friggin education

Are you saying you want a... *cure for cancer*?

despite the INSISTANCE of my employer that I should have to work 7 days a week which is already against Canadian law, my employer thinks I already have it too good.
This is what the courts are for btw go get evidence and report them. if it's not in your contract you dont have to do it firing you for that is again something you can sue for.

lol

reeeee

labour boards won't do anything but report me to my next employer. No it's not legal, but money talks

I'm about to post some cancer

This is too much sanity

we have workers rights, sure, none of which can be enforced without pissing off every employer in the province. that's an even bigger problem than not being hired because you can't produce more than you're paid

At least that depends on what job you're talking about

using those who the system has failed is just a testament to the fact that the system needs to change. The unemployed can barely get employed as it is regardless of minimum wage.
I agree we have a failed system but the issue isn't too much laissez faire economics its the opposite we have too much government involvement and meddling.
And when yyou say the unemployed can barely get employed as it is that is because of minimum wage.
Supply and demand if the government artificially increases the price of hiring people less people will get hired simple supply and demand.
you need to have experience to get a better job so if you're locked out of getting your foot on the ladder you'll be stuck and the longer you're unemployed the harder it will become.

rolley couch

I love that there's two rollers

@Farunel There has been a temporary take over of this chat

Please hold

lol